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Instead of making a new topic, I decided to revive this one.
I find it interesting that while these three areas have nearly 2 million Latinos, which isnt too far off from SoFla's 2.4 million Latinos, these three areas definitely fly under the radar.
I think they fly under the radar compared to SoFla, because these 3 aren't as influential as the Latinos in SoFla are, nor are any of these 3 are influential to Latino culture. Miami's the hub of SoFla, and the city is 68% Hispanic and hasn't had a non-Hispanic mayor in forever. Hispanics make up a larger percentage overall in SoFla than they do in any of these 3. But these 3 are easily top 5/10 for Latinos in the US.
i would say chicago, again neighborhoods just dedicated to mexicans, there always having parties down there and music and festivals with it many Mexican grocery stores, jewelry stores, cloth shops, even schools.
I think they fly under the radar compared to SoFla, because these 3 aren't as influential as the Latinos in SoFla are, nor are any of these 3 are influential to Latino culture. Miami's the hub of SoFla, and the city is 68% Hispanic and hasn't had a non-Hispanic mayor in forever. Hispanics make up a larger percentage overall in SoFla than they do in any of these 3. But these 3 are easily top 5/10 for Latinos in the US.
No, I get why (and unlike on City Data, percentages in real life do matter), but when you logically think about the raw numbers, it's kind of crazy.
For SF Bay and CHI, even though Hispanics are the largest minority group in each area, they have nearly just as a large of another minority group (Asians for SF Bay, Blacks for Chicago) that somewhat overshadow the Hispanic influence. However, in the former's case, 'Asians' (a large group covering ancestries from Pakistan to Japanese, or half the world's population) never were the largest minority group but will most likely be after the next census while Blacks recently just lost their largest minority status in Chicago. Interesting phenomenon.
Texas as a WHOLE is sort of known for its Mexican culture, DFW sort of just flies under the radar of it. It's interesting to note that DFW as a whole is a whole lot less Hispanic than the state of Texas (26% Hispanic in DFW vs. 38% Hispanic in Texas).
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i would say chicago, again neighborhoods just dedicated to mexicans, there always having parties down there and music and festivals with it many Mexican grocery stores, jewelry stores, cloth shops, even schools.
Isn't that the same thing for any other city with a Mexican population?
I think they fly under the radar compared to SoFla, because these 3 aren't as influential as the Latinos in SoFla are, nor are any of these 3 are influential to Latino culture. Miami's the hub of SoFla, and the city is 68% Hispanic and hasn't had a non-Hispanic mayor in forever. Hispanics make up a larger percentage overall in SoFla than they do in any of these 3. But these 3 are easily top 5/10 for Latinos in the US.
Many parts of the Miami area feel like you drove on a landbridge south from the U.S. to the carribbean or central america. While neighborhoods in Chicago might have Mexicans, you still know you are in Chicago. With Miami you start off with a latin influenced feel across the entire city and area, and pockets which are like being in a different country.
I wrote a thesis on it in college. Im going based on what I remember researching. Things may have changed since 2004 so I cant say for sure, but thats the way it was. From what I researched at the time:
Mexicans in Houston came from: Veracruz, Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, Puebla, Chihuahua, Oaxaca, and Jailisco.
Mexicans in Dallas came from: San Luis Potosi, Durango, Augascalientes, Nuevo Leon, Zacatecas, Queretaro, Toluca, and Chihuahua.
Mexicans in Chicago were largely from Guanajuato, Durango, Zacatecas, Queretaro, and Jailisco (some Nuevo Leon too).
Mexicans in Phoenix were fairly homogenous in that they came almost entirely from Sonora, Chihuahua, Michoacan, and Baja.
LA has Mexicans from just about everywhere though the greatest concentrations are from Baja.
Again, that was based off of a paper I wrote in college years ago. Things may be different now, I havent looked it up. However, the point of the paper was that there seemed to be some reigional patern. Coastal Mexicans overwhelmingly prefered Houston and Los Angeles. Interior Mexicans (including Chihuahua) prefered Dallas and Chicago. Finally, desert Mexicans prefered Phoenix and Los Angeles.
Seems about right. You know where I can find any of this information online? Does the government keep track of new citizens birth places?
Metropolitans by Hispanic Population (exclusion of their largest Hispanic group):
- Bay Area: 434,769 (excluding Mexicans)
- Chicago: 412,412 (excluding Mexicans)
- Dallas: 269,274 (excluding Mexicans)
Metropolitans by Mexican Population:
- Los Angeles: 6,652,680
- Houston: 1,715,252
- Chicago: 1,607,929
- Dallas: 1,606,721
- Bay Area: 1,412,225
- New York: 642,472
- Atlanta: 367,342
- Miami: 134,944
- Washington: 119,803
- Philadelphia: 116,859
- Boston: 52,388
Metropolitans by Total Hispanic Population:
- Los Angeles: 8,206,577
- New York: 4,903,875
- Miami: 2,369,074
- Houston: 2,218,894
- Chicago: 2,020,341
- Dallas: 1,875,995
- Bay Area: 1,846,994
- Washington: 806,207
- Boston: 699,068
- Atlanta: 623,428
- Philadelphia: 598,043
Dallas is still nearly 3 million smaller than Chicago (give or take 800,000 smaller than the Bay Area) but it's Latino community aside from Mexicans is starting to grow faster, it's most likely going to be surpassing Philadelphia and getting to where Chicago & Bay Area are. There's absolutely no doubt about it though, these three are by FAR & away apart of the top echelon of "diverse" cities right there (give or take ahead or behind) New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Miami, Houston, Boston, & Atlanta. That would be the first 10 right there (including Bay Area, Dallas, & Chicago of course).
Metropolitans by Hispanic Population (exclusion of their largest Hispanic group):
- New York: 3,444,749 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Los Angeles: 1,553,897 (excluding Mexicans)
- Miami: 1,328,551 (excluding Cubans)
- Washington: 529,710 (excluding El Salvadorans)
- Houston: 503,642 (excluding Mexicans)
- Boston: 470,871 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Bay Area: 434,769 (excluding Mexicans)
- Chicago: 412,412 (excluding Mexicans)
- Philadelphia: 279,595 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Dallas: 269,274 (excluding Mexicans)
- Atlanta: 256,086 (excluding Mexicans)
Yeahh it's as good as done. Philadelphia's going to be passed up in a year or two by Dallas easily, then eventually Atlanta as well.
These three (Bay Area, Chicago, & Dallas) are all apart of the same 20%-30% club.
I think its also ironic that the area that actually WAS founded by the Spanish (San Francisco and San Jose were both founded by the Spanish) has the least amount of votes as of right now.
That just goes to show you that when push comes to shove, history does NOT matter as much in terms of modern perception as people think.
I think its also ironic that the area that actually WAS founded by the Spanish (San Francisco and San Jose were both founded by the Spanish) has the least amount of votes as of right now.
That just goes to show you that when push comes to shove, history does NOT matter as much in terms of modern perception as people think.
Ok, even if they aren't (which is questionable in of itself), San Francisco and San Jose as populated entities were under the rule of Mexico, which definitely is a "Latino" country.
In short, Mexicans and Hispanics have been living in and around SF, SJ and the Bay Area longer than either Chicago or DFW (though the latter may have had a Spanish and/or Mexican era settlement, but neither the size of anything in the Bay Area).
Unless there's something I'm missing...then I don't think its that disputable.
However, the original point is how much effect this has on the modern perception/modern Hispanic/Latino communities, and it obvious does not have as large of an effect as people think.
I dunno why, but this thread made me think of a latina I saw in the SF embarcadero market one day. NICE latina selling oranges and other fruits. She was caliente in all the right places! Yeah ...
Oh, er, PG13 ... Um ... shifting mode of thought to the BIGGER brain ...
I dunno, for SF itself, I thought the hispanic influences were lacking. There was such a hodge-podge but European and Asian, mostly Chinese, influences ruled.
In Chicago, hispanic influences are seen almost everywhere. 1/3 of the city is hispanic.
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