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No, You said that Philadelphia was 'cut off' at 10,000+ and I couldnt verify that---not saying you were exaggerating as I can see how might say that, but its not 10,000+. sheesh.
Even the Trenton side of the river is not really 10,000+ right at the border but rather a few tracts in the historic downtown part of that city. Otherwise there are spots with 5,000-7,000 but its not contiguous but rather anamolies in an otherwise lower density area of 1,500-3,500 persons per square mile between Philly proper and Trenton. There is nothing wrong with that btw. No need to be defensive.
But keep in mind this thread was created to test the theory by the OP that NY and Philadelphia have a regionalism and level of contiguous development similar to SF and SJ and that is clearly not true in either case.
It really makes no sense how Trenton and Philadelphia's urban areas are separated. They only thing I can see doing this is MSA boundary manipulation or conspiracy.
NY and Philly are way too disconnected from each other, loooong trip along New Jersey before any signs of urban area!
And yes if you take the NJ Turnpike I agree that is what one might think; but if you actually traverse where the connection it is different though I do believe they are not connected nor a good camparison in this case.
For the last time though if someones frame of reference is the NJ Turnpike; frankly you have no idea what the connection is
That would be driving down the PCH and coming back over the mountains into SJ while driving from SF; it wouldnt look all that consistent either
God people... must you argue about everything. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT SAN FRAN AND SAN JOSE ARE MORE CONNECTED!!!! I won't lie about that. San Fran and San Jose are more connected than New York and Philly.
Thank you for your time
Correct. Thats the point to the thread. Question answered and it happens to be the unbiased truth. Thanks for recognizing you were wrong.....
NY and Philly are way too disconnected from each other, loooong trip along New Jersey before any signs of urban area!
New Jersey as a STATE is actually more dense than many metros in the United States.
It's easy to cherry pick a straight line path to NYC where its not that developed, but outside of the NJT, you'll find that most of Central New Jersey is pretty developed (not densely, but its developed).
Even taking US 1 from Philadelphia to NYC will find more densely packed development than the Turnpike. There is sort of a deadspot between Princeton and New Brunswick, but off the highway there is development.
Well, again. Unlike DFW, San Francisco-San Jose are considered 2 different MSA's by the Federal Government, who is again the sole arbitor of deciding what is a metro area and what is not a metro area. And using the maps I posted, the amount of developed area between them is literally only 3.7 miles across the whole MSA border, while the border between Dallas and Fort Worth is almost wholly developed, regardless of the density of the border.
However, I have disregarded the thought that Philadelphia and NYC are within the same vein as SF-SJ. I actually feel extremely embarassed for asking, but hey, you win some you lose some.
Well, it was based on the fact that city to city border, Philadelphia to NYC is only 46 miles while SF-SJ is 41-42 miles. It's not that much different.
And given that the Central NJ suburbs are bleeding in together, looking non-distinct to whether there is a Philadelphia or New York orientation COULD lead one to believe that they have a similar connectivity.
Are NYC and Philly truly that close together? It sure doesn't feel like it when your driving through N. It seems like San Jose and San Fransico should be much closer.
SF to SJ is around 45 miles downtown to downtown, NYC to Philly is almost 100 miles. There is no comparison.
bs. yes there is. nyc is huge. 23 million people extends a lot further out than a city like boston would. 100 miles would be far by boston or san francisco standards but nyc is one of the biggest cities in the world and philly is one of the biggest cities in the country. not to mention the development cenetered around trenton in between the two. 100 miles is nothing, ESPECIALLY the 100 miles that lies between these two monsters.
Are NYC and Philly truly that close together? It sure doesn't feel like it when your driving through N. It seems like San Jose and San Fransico should be much closer.
Those numbers were exaggerated on both sides.
from NY to Phi and SF to SJ, this is by car in the real world. Downtown to downtown. And city limits to city limts Phi/NY is still around 80miles, SF/SJ is in the 30s.
Driving directions to Philadelphia, PA from New York City
Distance: 93.71 miles — Time: 1:45 h
Driving directions to San Jose, CA from San Francisco
Distance: 48.38 miles — Time: 51 mins
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