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Old 05-21-2016, 06:07 PM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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Do not mistake this as a Cleveland-bash thread. I am actually very enamored with Cleveland, these just happen to be two cities I've been nerding over recently. I've never been to either, but if I had to choose to live in one, it would be Cleveland in a landslide and I wouldn't think twice. However, I can't help but notice that even as Cleveland has (seemingly) turned a corner, Austin has been flying up from the review, and its essentially been this way for two-plus decades now...

So this is a simple question to gauge where the rest of the country views these two cities, currently in 2016, in the national pantheon of America's top cities. Assumedly, both Austin and Cleveland are in the Top 15-25 cities, so use whatever metric you guys deem necessary in answering this question...

 
Old 05-21-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: New England
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Yes. Austin is growing at a much faster rate and has a economy.

In 2010 the Cleveland metro area had around 60 thousand more residents than the Austin metro area. With the Austin metro area being one of the countries fastest growing I would estimate that it has surpassed Cleveland in population. It's strong tech sector is also unmatched my Cleveland.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Greater Orlampa CSA
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It depends on in what ways. I would be curious on GDP of the two metro areas, but confident Cleveland's would be higher. Also, metro population is very misleading in this instance, as Greater Cleveland's population is closer to around 3.5 million. In terms of global notoriety, etc, still definitely not. There's a reason why Cleveland has 3 pro sports teams, Austin doesn't have any, Cleveland has a World Class medical center and museums, in addition to one of the best theatre districts in the US, etc. Austin's downtown vibrancy and music scene are noteworthy, and there are certainly admirable qualities of Austin, but it has a ways to go to reaching Cleveland's level of importance. For comparison, Cleveland beat out Dallas to land the GOP Convention.

Realistically, I'm not convinced that, while Austin is a nice/growing city, it is in the Top 25 metros in the US in terms of importance, while Cleveland certainly is.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Greater Orlampa CSA
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Austin's is higher than I thought it would be, but still Cleveland's is 10 billion higher, and that's not counting an extra 30ish billion from Akron, which has a similar relationship to Cleveland as Dallas/Fort Worth have.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Not for another decade at least imo. Austin is still considered a young upstart. When Austin clips 3 million people, then Cleveland will likely fall behind it in importance.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 08:57 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Cleveland has a strong name recognition and has a lot of old wealth. Outside the US, Austin is an unknown entity while Cleveland is very well known.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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It's about 12-18 months from surpassing Cleveland's MSA in jobs, and very close in GDP.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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Cleveland has a strong name recognition and has a lot of old wealth. Outside the US, Austin is an unknown entity while Cleveland is very well known.
Eh saying Cleveland is well known outside the us is a stretch....
 
Old 05-21-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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Austin is known as a young upstart, to copy someone above. It's growing in popular recognition, but currently it's about tech and a music festival.

Cleveland is known in the US for being a rust belter with some hints of revival. It has a place in popular culture because of sports and a couple TV shows that foster its blue-collar image. I doubt it's known much outside North America, and why would it be given its metro size ranking and interior location.
 
Old 05-21-2016, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Austin is known as a young upstart, to copy someone above. It's growing in popular recognition, but currently it's about tech and a music festival.

Cleveland is known in the US for being a rust belter with some hints of revival. It has a place in popular culture because of sports and a couple TV shows that foster its blue-collar image. I doubt it's known much outside North America, and why would it be given its metro size ranking and interior location.
Cleveland is known internationally for:

1) Lebron James/ the Cavs
2) The Cleveland Orchestra
3) The Cleveland Clinic
4) The Rock and Roll HOF
5) Case Western Reserve University
6) The Cleveland Museum of Art
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