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Old 03-15-2014, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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This should be a fun thread that hasn't been done on here before I think. It seems like we're entering into the golden age for transit expansion plans with new cities without transit and cities with transit all trying to improve their networks or build brand new networks to improve transportation across the nation. It seems like every city is trying to build some form of rail or bus rapid transit to move people in a faster more efficient way as density increases in cities across the nation.

Please rank each CSA's expansion plans over the next 20 years based on the following:

Heavy Rail Train Expansion plans: 5 points X miles

Light Rail Train Expansion plans: 3 points X miles

Commuter Rail Train Expansion plans: 1 point X miles

Streetcar Expansion Plans: 1 point X miles

Gold Standard Bus Rapid Transit Expansion plans: 1 point X miles
(**Example of Gold Standard Bus Rapid Transit = The US has only 5 true BRT systems, and none are "gold" - Greater Greater Washington **)



Here is an example:

(fictional) Rappahannock City Light Rail Line: 23 mile's

23 miles X 3 points (for light rail) = 69

Total Points: 69 points


I was thinking this would give us a better idea of which CSA region's actually have the most things in the pipeline. I hope it's not too complicated. Enjoy and have some fun with it. I will try to keep a running tally based on points. Let the games begin!

If you don't feel like doing the math, just post the plans and mile's and I will do it for you as I update the rank for the CSA's across the nation.

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Old 03-15-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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If you are going to use such large regions like CSAs, shouldn't commuter rail be weighted heavier than or at least the same as light rail?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Non gold standard BRT counts for nothing?

My guess is the leaders are LA, DC and NYC. LA might get the top spot because of all the transit expansion plans in the IE and OC... Though if lower tier BRT doesn't count I don't know if either of them add points to the CSA. I think OC has a street car or two planned. Does HSR count for anything?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Chicago recently got chunks of money in a proposed FTA budget for BRT along Ashland Ave (16 mi when all finished) and a rebuild of the red and purple lines on the north side. Not sure if it counts as "gold standard," though.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Boston's adding probably another 10 miles of track on the Green Line into Medford and Sommerville Green Line Extension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 03-15-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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Courtesy of Davem, Archboston.com
Hopefully this will be the future of the MBTA if they can muster up the funds to make this happen!
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2321/1...d1c2f20f_o.png

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Old 03-15-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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Current Boston subway system...
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsg6ySW0NnbhF9UXOvp5DctNxQ7cDYo aW9P9lLfP2CuNGxhaVw

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Old 03-15-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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Minneapolis - St. Paul in 20 years

Source: http://mappingtwincities.tumblr.com/...sit-map-we-are

This map does not include existing or planned commuter lines.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8488683c0...o1_r3_1280.jpg
Map by Mr. Maps

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Old 03-15-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Lots of agencies have plans. But only a few have mechanisms already in place to make those plans a reality. AFAIK only two agencies have heavy rail lines currently under construction - WMATA and NYCT. And AFAIK only one other agency has realistic plans to start heavy rail construction anytime soon - LACMTA. Those three would have to be at the top in terms of usefulness, quality, and riders added due to expansion.

But to go with the exercise in the OP it should be pretty easy (but time consuming) to go to wikipedia and get expansion totals and calculate the results.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Lots of agencies have plans. But only a few have mechanisms already in place to make those plans a reality. AFAIK only two agencies have heavy rail lines currently under construction - WMATA and NYCT. And AFAIK only one other agency has realistic plans to start heavy rail construction anytime soon - LACMTA. Those three would have to be at the top in terms of usefulness, quality, and riders added due to expansion.

But to go with the exercise in the OP it should be pretty easy (but time consuming) to go to wikipedia and get expansion totals and calculate the results.
BART is currently building expanding into San Jose as we speak.

We also have some very cool rail projects that total about 105 miles.

Central Subway in SF is a 1.7 mile project through the heart of DT.
Central Subway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BART to San Jose is a 16-mile extension
Projects | bart.gov

BART to Livermore is a 4.8 mile extension
Livermore Extension | bart.gov

BART Connector to Oakland Airport is a 3.2-mile extension
Oakland airport BART tram to open in fall 2014 - SFGate

eBART to Eastern Contra Costa County is a 9-mile extension
East Contra Costa BART Extension Project - Railway Technology

SMART train is a brand new commuter rail system that is 70 miles long.
Sonoma-Marin Area Rail Transit - Wikipedia, the
free encyclopedia


Also, I dont see why commuter rail tracks get less points. Especially since this discussion is CSA level?
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