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Cittywide, DC is booming to a much higher degree than LA. DC's been building about 4,000 new units per year, which translates to 160 city residents per new unit. LA's building about 10,000 new units per year, which is only 353 city residents per new unit. About one-fifth of LAs new residential units have been in DTLA though, so in that small area that pace of new development is probably higher than in DC.
Idk what exactly your boundries are, but mine are a little different than the LA Times one
I got rid of Chinatown, Elysian Park, Silver Lake/EP, all of the hills, the Fairfax District, and eastern DTLA and instead added Palms, much more of South Central, part of the Eastside, and Huntington Park
Regardless of what exactly a 47-50 square mile LA is, it appears to be slightly below or equal to Philly and Boston
That's kind of an odd shape though, and doesn't seem contiguous. I think it makes sense to try to go for something blob-like.
Regardless, yea, LA is in that general tier when you're talking about its central core--and it should probably include Griffith Park and other parks to have some greenspace, too. It's just an odder comparison because LA doesn't look the part in a lot of places and its legal boundaries and metropolitan areas sprawls out well past the central core.
Hey MD, I think I recall you saying DC needs to reach 675,000-something in population to reach the 11,000 density ppsm mark. What year would that occur given the current growth rate? I think it was somewhere between 2018 to 2021. It definitely seems to be trending towards the density it had back in 1954, which saw The City at peak population.
D.C. will need 676,000 people to reach 11,000 people per square mile.
676,000/61.4 sq. miles = 11,010 people per sq. mile.
D.C. is already pretty close to that now. It should happen by 2016.
Nah it looks like I double-counted (did it quickly). I don't know how I ended up with different populations. You could replace one of those with 90029 (same area) and only loose 11,000 people though
And it is contiguous and not really terribly amorphous, just a little rectangular (no more so than, say, Boston). The whole point is to get the densest 47 square miles though, regardless of shape
So if LA is somewhere between 850-950K, where is Philadelphia? I think I recall seeing Chicago around 900-950K, but can't be absolutely certain. There is no way Boston is ahead of SF as even Cambridge is less dense and Somerville is only slightly more dense, but small. Does Boston even get past 750K in 47 sq mi?
Most of your questions are completely irrelevant. The Bronx is arguably the second most urban area in the US, and it's very poor for the most part. No amount of wealth in SF or Boston will make them more urban.
As for Central Los Angeles, it's not a complete city (you would need to add the adjacent Westside for that), but it has 85% of the employment of San Francisco. This breaks down to roughly 460,000 jobs, more than DC or Seattle, and just 100k fewer than Brooklyn, a borough of 2.5 million people. It's clearly a substantial job center.
LA's weighted density is on par with the "top 5" (lol), and it's standard density is well beyond the scope of every one of them minus Chicago.
Los Angeles has as many people living in 20/30/50k densities as Boston, Philly, and DC combined .
Walkscores? I already calculated them:
+90 neighborhoods*
Central Los Angeles/WeHo: 226,142
Washington DC/Alexandria: 139,323
Seattle/Bellevue: 110,514
Miami/South Beach: 15,473
+85
Central Los Angeles: 434,540
Washington DC/Alexandria: 208,226
Seattle/Bellevue: 140,398
Miami/South Beach: 140,242
+80
Central Los Angeles/WeHo: 552,453
Washington/Alexandria:* 267,355*
Seattle/Bellevue: 218,650
Miami/South Beach: 140,242
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So if LA is somewhere between 850-950K, where is Philadelphia? I think I recall seeing Chicago around 900-950K, but can't be absolutely certain. There is no way Boston is ahead of SF as even Cambridge is less dense and Somerville is only slightly more dense, but small. Does Boston even get past 750K in 47 sq mi?
I calculate Philly at 934,979 (using 50 sq mi because that's what I used for LA)
Doesn't pack all the features of a world class city into those 47 sq mil?
This is a pretty fair point; there is quite a bit about Los Angeles' prestige that arises from the Westside, SFV, SGV, and even South LA. I'd say the majority of the cultural amenities are located within Central LA, but USC / CA Science Center / Natural History Museum, UCLA / Westwood Village / The Getty, Cal Tech / JPL / Huntington Library / Rose Bowl, Rodeo Drive / Downtown BH / Century City, Santa Monica / Venice / Malibu are all outside of this district. I would say it is enough to consider Central LA an "important city" on its own, but not a world class city.
There are some major amenities outside the area, but I think there's a good argument for world class institutions within Central Los Angeles as defined by LA Times including multiple stadiums and their affiliated teams, two locations of MOCA, LACMA, LA Philharmonic and its venues at the Walt Disney Center and Hollywood Bowl, plus an actually thriving arts scene and market.
There are also neighborhoods just outside the LA Times definition such as the stuff in the University Park/Exposition Park neighborhood that should probably be considered within these 47 square mile borders, especially as those places are more connected by transit to the core and are physically closer to downtown itself than some of what the LA Times is including such as the northern slopes of the Santa Monica Mountains. Also, Broad Museum opens September. Oh wow.
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