3rd Best Downtown in the U.S. Philadelphia vs. San Francisco (tallest, living)

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by Lets Eat Candy

Hey, Villanova won yesterday. Philly gets points based on that!

Villanova has to be admired for running an elite basketball program. Its a small , private, Catholic university who holds its players to very high academic standards. Which is a rarity among the big power schools.

Villanova has 1 less National Championship than perennial powerhouses Kansas and Louisville.

[kingtutaaa]

One of a multitude of great institutions that make Philadelphia such a great place to live and raise a family .

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by Lets Eat Candy

Hey, Villanova won yesterday. Philly gets points based on that!

Villanova gets point not Philly!! It was a great game, I like seeing the small schools win. Closest thing on the west coast is Gonzaga, but they need more of them to make powerhouse leagues besides the Pac12.

Closest Philly will get to a major title.........for a whileeeeeee......

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by slo1318

Villanova gets point not Philly!! It was a great game, I like seeing the small schools win. Closest thing on the west coast is Gonzaga, but they need more of them to make powerhouse leagues besides the Pac12.

Closest Philly will get to a major title.........for a whileeeeeee......

If you lived in Philly you'd understand that for us Villanova is a very Philadelphia institution. It's part of our local DNA. Not being physically within the city limits doesn't matter with this championship. There's going to be a parade for them this coming Friday in the city.

[tocoto]

Apparently, Philly homers will go on forever about their great, gritty downtown and city with its poverty and crime, desolate slums, and non-functional local government. Sure it's better than the 80's when the whole city looked like a third world country. If it were so great, rents wound not be so cheap. Third best downtown in the USA? What a presumptuous crock of BS. "Team Philly" needs a reality check.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by tocoto

Apparently, Philly homers will go on forever about their great, gritty downtown and city with its poverty and crime, desolate slums, and non-functional local government. Sure it's better than the 80's when the whole city looked like a third world country. If it were so great, rents wound not be so cheap. Third best downtown in the USA? What a presumptuous crock of BS. "Team Philly" needs a reality check.

Much more of that non-functional government is going on Harrisburg. PA government is a mess. Definitely.

[Pine to Vine]

Originally Posted by tocoto

Apparently, Philly homers will go on forever about their great, gritty downtown and city with its poverty and crime, desolate slums, and non-functional local government. Sure it's better than the 80's when the whole city looked like a third world country. If it were so great, rents wound not be so cheap. Third best downtown in the USA? What a presumptuous crock of BS. "Team Philly" needs a reality check.

While it has its challenges, at least you can step out on the streets of Philly without getting human s**t on your sneakers: Map shows S.F.’s human poop on the streets - SFGate Blog

Classy place, SF.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by tocoto

Apparently, Philly homers will go on forever about their great, gritty downtown and city with its poverty and crime, desolate slums, and non-functional local government. Sure it's better than the 80's when the whole city looked like a third world country. If it were so great, rents wound not be so cheap. Third best downtown in the USA? What a presumptuous crock of BS. "Team Philly" needs a reality check.

Have you been to downtown SF? It's not **** and span, and it costs a much heftier price for smaller scale and/or local people to do anything. I am about to see the two within two months span of each other. It's a vacation of sorts for me, but I am not expecting SF's downtown to be particularly polished.

[odurandina]

Originally Posted by tocoto

Apparently, Philly homers will go on forever about their great, gritty downtown and city with its poverty and crime, desolate slums, and non-functional local government. Sure it's better than the 80's when the whole city looked like a third world country. If it were so great, rents wound not be so cheap. Third best downtown in the USA? What a presumptuous crock of BS. "Team Philly" needs a reality check.

Philly is coming on.... but so is San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston.

Does Philly even have a 4 Seasons' ? Boston got two.

i've been doing an incomplete update ~every month. trying to improve the 180-280' list as i'm missing about 35 towers in the current cycle.


had a short, friendly conversation with the lead architect with 1 Bromfield this past evening...

news;

1 Bromfield Street/Midwood Investment proposals submitted 59 stories 735'
http://www.bostonredevelopmentauthor...5-e78f1f04c3d5
Back Bay Station Redevelopment/Boston Properties' proposals submitted!
111 Federal St/Winthrop Sq moving forward. BRA will select winning development team by June... permitting by end of the year.
South Station Tower possible construction ~early 2017.
40 Trinity getting closer to startup, and a 4th ~500’ tower in the West End near TD garden.
mass.gov is pushing the sale of 5.5 acre Southbay DOT/Kneeland Street sitel,

proposed;

1. 1 Bromfield Street/Midwood Investment 59 stories 735' roof (diagonally across from Millenium Tower.

2. Back Bay Station tower #1 34 stories ~428' roof

3. Back Bay Parcel 15 #1/Weiner Ventures 31 stories 400' roof

4. 45 Worthington/Equity Residential 35 stories ~387' loi

5. Back Bay Station tower #2 24 stories ~396' top.

6. Tremont Crossing Tower #1 31 stories 365' top

7. 51 High Street 29 stories ~355'

8. Back Bay Station tower #3 26 stories ~336'

9. 15 Harrison Avenue/Drago and Toscano/Chinatown hotel 26 stories ~336'

10. Tremont Crossing Tower #2 29 stories ~336'.

11. Back Bay Station #3 28 stories ~336'

12 Back Bay Parcel 15 #2/Weiner Ventures 25 stories ~332'

13. Dudley Sqare mixed use residential tower 25 stories ~328'

14. 436 Atlantic Ave/J Hook Lobster tower 24 stories 305'.

15. 533 Washington St/Canvas (high a/r thin condo tower) 30 stories 303'.

16. Tremont Tower 24 stories #3 280'.

17. Landmark Development tower Brighton 278 feet ??

approved, +/- .gov/on schedule, construction, topped, +/- cladding or completed;

1. 1 Dalton Street/Four Seasons 61 stories 755' (construction)

2. 111 Federal Street/Winthrop Garage 725-735' roof +.gov BRA wants 'iconic tower.'
will select winning development team by June... Permitting by end of the year.

3. Millennium Tower 60 stories 685' tip (cladding)

4. South Station Tower; 49 stories 678' roof a few years out w/ .gov South Station re-do, Post Office relocation + track expansion...

5. Govt Center (oval) office tower 43 stories + tall mech screen ~647' tip... (approved)

6. Copley Place Tower 52 stories 625' roof (site prep)

7. Govt Center residential tower 45 stories 547' roof (site prep)

8. TD Garden Tower 1 (office) ~21 stories over the podium ~505' roof (podium construction 1-27-2016).

9. TD Garden Point 2 (resident tower) 45 stories 495' roof (podium construction 1-27-2016)

10. Garden Garage/Equity Residential 44 stories 485' roof (approved

11. Avalon North Station/121 Nashua Street 38 stories 450' roof (cladding ~3-4 weeks)

12. Atlantic Wharf 32 stories 436' (2011)

13. 40 Trinity Place 33 stories 412' (pre-construction)

14. 380 Stewart Street/John Hancock Tower #3 26 stories 390' tip (approved).

15. 45 Province Street 31 Stories 367' (2009)

16. The Pierce Fenway 30 stories 367' (construction)

17. South Station #2 (office) 24 stories 342'

18. Govt Center #3 29 stories ~336' (approved ~2 years away)

19. 45 Stewart St/AVA Theatre District 29 stories 336' (2015)

20. South Station #3 (residential) 28 stories 336'

21. The Kensington Apartments 27 stories 299' (2013)

22. Radian 26 stories 291' (2014)

23. 157 Berkeley Street/Liberty Mutual 22 stories 290' (2013)

24. 30 Dalton St 24 stories 286' (cladding Jan 2016)

25. 99 Kneeland Street/1 Greenway Tower/Chinatown 21 stories 262 Feet (2015)

26. 1350 Boylston/Skanska Fenway 18 stories 223' (construction)

27-50 about 32-35 midrise towers between 180' and 280' either close to approval, approved, under construction or completed. And many more on the way.

stale;

1. Harbor Garage/Don Chiofaro/Prudential 56 stories BRA rendered guidelines for 600'/900,000. thus ending the 2 tower idea. Chiofaro/Pru team say they need 1.1~1.2M sq ft w/ single 600' tower to proceed. Harbor/city/state process is implacable.

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1 Bromfield St/Midwood Development 59 stories 735'....
here's the first render for what might become Boston's 5th tallest.




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[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Pine to Vine

While it has its challenges, at least you can step out on the streets of Philly without getting human s**t on your sneakers: Map shows S.F.’s human poop on the streets - SFGate Blog

Classy place, SF.

There was also the completely laughable exaggerated remark that the "whole city(Philly) looked like a 3rd world country" at one point in time.