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View Poll Results: Which city has the 3rd best Downtown?
Philadelphia 65 38.69%
San Francisco 77 45.83%
None 26 15.48%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-29-2016, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Which city is better:

Skyline:
Cohesiveness:
Museums:
Restaurants:
Shopping:
Green Space:
Growth and Development:
Transportation:
Vibrancy:

 
Old 03-29-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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Skyline: Philly, but SF has the natural beauty for sure
Cohesiveness: not sure what you mean
Museums: Philly
Restaurants: Tie
Shopping: SF
Green Space: Philly by far
Growth and Development: SF is growing more quickly right now, but I think Philly has the brighter future. SF is just about entirely built out and NIMBYism is keeping the city back. Philly seems to be more welcoming of development, correct me if I'm wrong.
Transportation: Philly
Vibrancy: Pretty close. It could go either way. But I think one big thing holding SF back is the homeless population downtown. During tourist season, SF wins. During normal seasons, there are still a lot of tourists in SF compared to Philly, but the vibrancy is more on par with Philly's I think.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles,CA & Scottsdale, AZ
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Which city is better:

Skyline:Philly
Cohesiveness:SF
Museums: Philly
Restaurants: SF
Shopping:SF
Green Space: Philly
Growth and Development:SF
Transportation: Philly
Vibrancy:SF

SF has a way better downtown.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia/ Rehoboth Beach
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Does anyone have current pedestrian counts for busy streets for either city ?
 
Old 03-29-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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Does anyone have current pedestrian counts for busy streets for either city ?
http://philadelphiaretail.com/pdf/pe...ount012016.pdf

Can't find one for SF.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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For me San Francisco is not a strictly better city. It is smaller, cosmically beyond laughably expensive, the public transportation is painfully lacking, the homeless are violent, the ego is unchecked, and is cold year round. Also it is not culturally balanced, it is completely bleach gentrified. In most fields like energy, food, nightlife, urbanity, class (top end) etc they are basically tied. However otherwise it does have a slightly bigger downtown, more foot traffic, amazing geography, an awesome tech industry and a few other things that are slightly better. Particularly the cost takes it off the map though especially in the face of manhattan.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Neither.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Originally Posted by jessemh431 View Post
http://www.visitunionsquaresf.com/do..._4.20.2010.pdf

Wow, look at page 9. San Francisco crushes Philly.

SF: Powell Street & Market: 46,000 per weekday/ 103,000(!!!!) per weekend day

Philly: Chestnut & 16th: 26,000 per weekday/ 22,000 per weekend day.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
http://www.visitunionsquaresf.com/do..._4.20.2010.pdf

Wow, look at page 9. San Francisco crushes Philly.

SF: Powell Street & Market: 46,000 per weekday/ 103,000(!!!!) per weekend day

Philly: Chestnut & 16th: 26,000 per weekday/ 22,000 per weekend day.
I'll give you that. SF does have more pedestrian activity. I still don't think that it can be the single factor the propels SF to 3rd place, though. If anything, they more or less tie. They are each good at different things.
 
Old 03-30-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jessemh431 View Post
Skyline: Philly, but SF has the natural beauty for sure
Cohesiveness: not sure what you mean
Museums: Philly
Restaurants: Tie
Shopping: SF
Green Space: Philly by far
Growth and Development: SF is growing more quickly right now, but I think Philly has the brighter future. SF is just about entirely built out and NIMBYism is keeping the city back. Philly seems to be more welcoming of development, correct me if I'm wrong.
Transportation: Philly
Vibrancy: Pretty close. It could go either way. But I think one big thing holding SF back is the homeless population downtown. During tourist season, SF wins. During normal seasons, there are still a lot of tourists in SF compared to Philly, but the vibrancy is more on par with Philly's I think.

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