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View Poll Results: The most important?
Baltimore 62 29.25%
Cincinnati 14 6.60%
Cleveland 39 18.40%
Pittsburgh 51 24.06%
Saint Louis 46 21.70%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-10-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: NYC/CLE
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Originally Posted by Northernest Southernest C View Post
We have strong Fortune 1000 companies and other institutions in the Greater Baltimore area to make up for the lack of fortune 500 companies. Baltimore still gets a lot of concerts where artist will usually visit all 3 cities. Yeah the Baltimore Phenomenon, I actually like being omitted from the map at times we live in this age of terrorism now and I do not want my city to be a visible target like in the Sum of all Fears. Every city in the Bos-Wash corridor had an incident except Philadelphia and Baltimore. I like to stay as low key as possible.
I think it will likely stay that way, as both cities get overlooked politically by NYC and DC (which is definitely a good thing)

 
Old 04-10-2016, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I am not so sure about Baltimore being the clear winner. Not saying it is a bad city, but its niche, location wise, puts it at a disadvantage compared to the other cities, since it is right next to the larger Washington MSA. If I had to pick a single metro, I would pick Saint Louis, if only because it is slightly larger population wise (Baltimore has a somewhat larger economy, but people>money) and isn't very close to another large city that can take its role on the Mississippi. I don't do CSA here since it would be unfair to either include Washington with Baltimore in the comparison (I doubt that is what the OP meant) or to compare Baltimore MSA with the others' CSAs.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 07:27 PM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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I am not so sure about Baltimore being the clear winner. Not saying it is a bad city, but its niche, location wise, puts it at a disadvantage compared to the other cities, since it is right next to the larger Washington MSA. If I had to pick a single metro, I would pick Saint Louis, if only because it is slightly larger population wise (Baltimore has a somewhat larger economy, but people>money) and isn't very close to another large city that can take its role on the Mississippi. I don't do CSA here since it would be unfair to either include Washington with Baltimore in the comparison (I doubt that is what the OP meant) or to compare Baltimore MSA with the others' CSAs.
Right, in the name of being fair, why are we excluding Baltimore's CSA while using CSA for the other cities? That isn't an apples to apples comparison--using the CSA populations isn't apples to apples because of how inflated Baltimore and Cleveland would get...

Like I said, Baltimore appears to be the top city in this group, but Pittsburgh also compares well here. Baltimore isn't the runaway winner here, though...
 
Old 04-10-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Right, in the name of being fair, why are we excluding Baltimore's CSA while using CSA for the other cities? That isn't an apples to apples comparison--using the CSA populations isn't apples to apples because of how inflated Baltimore and Cleveland would get...

Like I said, Baltimore appears to be the top city in this group, but Pittsburgh also compares well here. Baltimore isn't the runaway winner here, though...
I cannot tell exactly if you are reiterating what I said or questioning what I did, since you used "we." Just to be safe, and since I suppose I did not make it very clear, I was comparing the MSAs of all the metros.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 08:27 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Technically the burden is on Cleveland's shoulders to close out/shut down the competition cities in this thread.

Going by PCSA, Cleveland's population has over 500,000 people on the next largest place. So yeah, you definitely have the human population to be more productive then the rest. The question is, are you capable of that?

By PCSA; I'm using the CSA of Cleveland, the CSA of Saint Louis, the MSA of Baltimore, the CSA of Pittsburgh, and the CSA of Cincinnati.

Population base by PCSA, 2015:
1. Cleveland CSA: 3,493,596
2. Saint Louis CSA: 2,916,447
3. Baltimore MSA: 2,797,407
4. Pittsburgh CSA: 2,648,605
5. Cincinnati CSA: 2,216,735


Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by PCSA, 2014:
1. Cleveland CSA: $174.244 Billion
2. Baltimore MSA: $173.516 Billion
3. Saint Louis CSA: $149.941 Billion
4. Pittsburgh CSA: $139.504 Billion
5. Cincinnati CSA: $121.407 Billion


Total Personal Income (TPI) by PCSA, 2014:
1. Cleveland CSA: $155.678 Billion
2. Baltimore MSA: $149.574 Billion
3. Saint Louis CSA: $136.377 Billion
4. Pittsburgh CSA: $127.169 Billion
5. Cincinnati CSA: $100.716 Billion


Cleveland is capable but the margin of victory is razor thin and much closer than what it should be. However, a win is a win regardless of margin of victory. So Clevelanders? Be relieved. You've done your job, I guess.

To be sure, with the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) gap being only $52.837 Billion. Further evidenced by them being in the same general economic range (in the $100 Billions). Similarly sized gap with the Total Personal Income (TPI), indicating further that these cities are in the same general tier, even though the population gap is significant between the largest to the smallest.
Using the numbers you posted, here's the GDP per capita for each:


$62,027 - Baltimore
$54,768 - Cincinnati
$52,671 - Pittsburgh
$51,412 - St. Louis
$49,875 - Cleveland


Take that for what it's worth.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 09:43 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Pittsburgh is should be ranked last strictly based on its football team.

Jk.. Taking a light hearted jab at the Steelers. Go Ravens
 
Old 04-10-2016, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Pittsburgh is should be ranked last strictly based on its football team.

Jk.. Taking a light hearted jab at the Steelers. Go Ravens
I agree.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 09:15 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Lol @ my typo. Sorry about that.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I agree.
Fail, at knowing anything.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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How are we defining "important?"

These cities all have a lot in common as kind of the second tier of urban areas that have fallen from their glory days of the 1920s-1950s, but show some signs of life now. I think they are all important cities in terms of manufacturing and strategic locations. If you take any of these cities out of their state, the whole state would suffer. If you take any of them out of the USA, the country, though to a lesser degree, would also suffer.

Or are we talking culturally? Artistically? Architecturally? Historically?
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