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I was going by metro area anyway but I highly doubt Minneapolis has a larger black population than Dallas if both cities had the same square mileage. According to black demographics, the Twin Cities as a whole have 255,000 blacks and Dallas city alone has more than that.
I stand corrected
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Originally Posted by Cowboys fan in Houston
Were either talking about metro areas or cities. Pick one.
And as to which city "beats" the other one, it depends on the category. If youre talking about urban green space, walkability, or amenities for hipsters, yes Minneapolis is better. If you're talking about diversity, presence on a global stage, or food, Dallas is better. Minneapolis is such a regional player compared to Dallas.
I've been referring to core / central cities. I don't have much interest in suburbs.
Wow. Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant! You know nothing about Dallas if you think it's not gay friendly. If we're basing it on LGBT bars/nightlife alone, then Dallas would steamroll both Minneapolis and Cleveland. It has the largest LGBT population in TX and a much larger and more vibrant LGBT nightlife scene compared to either of these cities. Look up "Oak Lawn" and get back to me. Good luck trying to find an equivalent neighborhood in Cleveland or Minneapolis. Minneapolis isn't much more eclectic than Dallas's Deep Ellum, Lower Greenville, or Oak Cliff neighborhoods. Next time you're down here, get out of the airport and off of the highway to see reality.
Other than that, the only thing that makes Dallas a worse option than Cleveland or Minneapolis is the June climate. There are breweries, lakes, and a nice arboretum here as well. Not the place to visit in June, but certainly has some attractions.....
Lol, try. Can't speak for Cleveland, but Minneapolis-St. Paul is one of the gayest metro areas in the nation. Dallas is the gayest in Texas? That don't mean much when we're talking deep red Texas lol.
We don't have gaybourhoods in Minneapolis (or Saint Paul) because we don't NEED them. Everywhere is gay friendly. Gaybourhoods emerged as cultural enclaves in areas that were more homophobic. Minnesota never had the evangelical protestant southern culture that Texas has, which has historically not been very gay friendly. Its cool that Dallas has those 'hoods, but its even cooler that Minneapolis doesn't. You see pride flags and 'All are welcome' signs literally all over the Twin Cities.
Also, I've been to both Dallas and Twin Cities pride, twice. Dallas Pride in 2015 and 2016, and Twin Cities Pride in 2016 and 2018. Twin Cities Pride knocks Dallas' out of the park. No contest. Dallas Pride in 2016 was a joke. They imposed so many dumb regulations that year. We couldn't even bring dogs anymore, when we could in Minneapolis that same year, and in Dallas the year before.
I speak as a gay man who lived in Texas and now Minnesota. I like Texas for a lot of things, hell the other night I was craving a Whataburger, but to think anywhere in Texas can compare with Minneapolis for LGBT friendliness, thats just wrong. Maybe if you compared Dallas to a tiny town in Minnesota like Danvers, okay...
I would have to say Dallas given those options. If you've never been, you need to visit Dealy Plaza (JFK assassination location for millennials here ha), George W Bush Library (I don't care if you're rep/dem, still good to visit), maybe visit ATT Stadium, The Star in Frisco, and enjoy the very good food you can find here. Then spend a day in Fort Worth visiting the Stockyards and walking around Sundance Square. Don't forget to bring your walking shoes to walk the Katy Trail.
The thing is, I don't see how a place can be more gay friendly. Not because places in Texas are that accepting, but because what more can you expect? People I know living in the Gayborhood do so because they want to be not because they feel alienated by others or need to feel accepted. Allowing dogs or not has nothing to do with the fact that it was a LGBT related event and was probably related more to safety or cleanliness.
I would have to say Dallas given those options. If you've never been, you need to visit Dealy Plaza (JFK assassination location for millennials here ha), George W Bush Library (I don't care if you're rep/dem, still good to visit), maybe visit ATT Stadium, The Star in Frisco, and enjoy the very good food you can find here. Then spend a day in Fort Worth visiting the Stockyards and walking around Sundance Square. Don't forget to bring your walking shoes to walk the Katy Trail.
My mom and dad who are in their 60s might like those things, but literally nothing in this list of things is something I would ever care do do or see. What kinds of things are there to do in Dallas-Fort Worth for young people who enjoy museums, parks, and the arts/music scene?
My mom and dad who are in their 60s might like those things, but literally nothing in this list of things is something I would ever care do do or see. What kinds of things are there to do in Dallas-Fort Worth for young people who enjoy museums, parks, and the arts/music scene?
Well the Bush Library and Dealy Plaza are two very unique and really cool museums. Other than that, you have Klyde Warren park downtown with food trucks, restaurants, and random concert entertainment. From there you hop on a scooter and ride up McKinney Ave to other restaurants/bars.
For dinner, go to Reunion Tower (the big ball that spins) for a cool skyline view.
For another dinner, go to The Star in Frisco and walk around/eat (it's where the Cowboys play).
Fort Worth has art museums that punch way above it's class as an art destination.
For for a hike at Cedar Ridge Preserve.
It's not a Vegas or NYC that's for sure but if I were only here for 4 - 5 days, that would have to be it.
Oh also, for bars etc...
Hit up these areas: Deep Ellum, Texas Live in Arlington, Lower Greenville, Victory Park Happiest Hour, and the Fort Worth Stockyards on a weekend night for a good Texas time ha.
Lol, try. Can't speak for Cleveland, but Minneapolis-St. Paul is one of the gayest metro areas in the nation. Dallas is the gayest in Texas? That don't mean much when we're talking deep red Texas lol.
We don't have gaybourhoods in Minneapolis (or Saint Paul) because we don't NEED them. Everywhere is gay friendly. Gaybourhoods emerged as cultural enclaves in areas that were more homophobic. Minnesota never had the evangelical protestant southern culture that Texas has, which has historically not been very gay friendly. Its cool that Dallas has those 'hoods, but its even cooler that Minneapolis doesn't. You see pride flags and 'All are welcome' signs literally all over the Twin Cities.
Also, I've been to both Dallas and Twin Cities pride, twice. Dallas Pride in 2015 and 2016, and Twin Cities Pride in 2016 and 2018. Twin Cities Pride knocks Dallas' out of the park. No contest. Dallas Pride in 2016 was a joke. They imposed so many dumb regulations that year. We couldn't even bring dogs anymore, when we could in Minneapolis that same year, and in Dallas the year before.
I speak as a gay man who lived in Texas and now Minnesota. I like Texas for a lot of things, hell the other night I was craving a Whataburger, but to think anywhere in Texas can compare with Minneapolis for LGBT friendliness, thats just wrong. Maybe if you compared Dallas to a tiny town in Minnesota like Danvers, okay...
You blew up your whole argument with your last sentence in bold. There's some logical fallacies in your other arguments but your last sentence was pure BS. It's as clear as day that you've spent way more time in Denton than *in* Dallas and clearly don't know much about it other than an event here or there.
MSP is a great place and progressive, but just because it lacks a gayborhood doesn't mean it's necessarily more gay-friendly. By that logic, places like LA, SF, NYC, CHI, etc. would be considered less gay friendly for having gayborhoods despite being very liberal places. People go to them because it's their preference, not necessarily out of fear. Ironically, that works against them by concentrating in one area because it's easier for a gay-basher to target his victims. But I digress. And as far as pride parades, why should they even matter? Going back to your argument, if the lack of a gayborhood is a sign of "gay friendliness" then so should the lack of a pride parade. Can't have it both ways.
My whole point was on nightlife anyways. As far as gay friendliness in general, Minnesota as a state is certainly friendlier than Texas as a whole. But city vs. city, Dallas is much more like Minneapolis than say Lubbock. Just like Austin and Houston, which are certainly closer to MSP in LGBT friendliness than they are to places like Tyler, Waco, Abilene, etc. And as a reminder: Denton County is NOT Dallas. MSP holds much greater weight in MN due to MN being smaller, whereas TX is so massive that rural interests often trump that of the cities.
My mom and dad who are in their 60s might like those things, but literally nothing in this list of things is something I would ever care do do or see. What kinds of things are there to do in Dallas-Fort Worth for young people who enjoy museums, parks, and the arts/music scene?
Downtown Dallas also has an Arts District with museums and performing arts, which borders Klyde Warren Park. In the southeast corner of DT, there's a farmer's market that is always packed with people on weekends with live music and tons of vendors. Nearby Deep Ellum has lots of bars, live music, murals, some galleries and shops. There's a trail that begins in Deep Ellum and connects with ones around White Rock Lake for some more outdoor scenery. Based off of the OP, I recommended Minneapolis & Cleveland over Dallas since he was visiting in the summer.
You blew up your whole argument with your last sentence in bold. There's some logical fallacies in your other arguments but your last sentence was pure BS. It's as clear as day that you've spent way more time in Denton than *in* Dallas and clearly don't know much about it other than an event here or there.
MSP is a great place and progressive, but just because it lacks a gayborhood doesn't mean it's necessarily more gay-friendly. By that logic, places like LA, SF, NYC, CHI, etc. would be considered less gay friendly for having gayborhoods despite being very liberal places. People go to them because it's their preference, not necessarily out of fear. Ironically, that works against them by concentrating in one area because it's easier for a gay-basher to target his victims. But I digress. And as far as pride parades, why should they even matter? Going back to your argument, if the lack of a gayborhood is a sign of "gay friendliness" then so should the lack of a pride parade. Can't have it both ways.
My whole point was on nightlife anyways. As far as gay friendliness in general, Minnesota as a state is certainly friendlier than Texas as a whole. But city vs. city, Dallas is much more like Minneapolis than say Lubbock. Just like Austin and Houston, which are certainly closer to MSP in LGBT friendliness than they are to places like Tyler, Waco, Abilene, etc. And as a reminder: Denton County is NOT Dallas. MSP holds much greater weight in MN due to MN being smaller, whereas TX is so massive that rural interests often trump that of the cities.
Serious question. Idk enough about Dallas to say for sure. Would a member of the LGBT community feel comfortable living in nearly any neighborhood in Dallas? In SF, there is no neighborhood they would feel uncomfortable living in. In LA, there is no part of the LA Basin that would be uncomfortable for a gay person, and no part of the valley I don't believe either. The only places I can even think of would be suburbs like Sylmar, Palmdale, Lancaster, Glendora, Covina, parts of the IE, and parts of OC. But no place in the real LA that people think of as LA would be hostile. In NYC, you could maybe say some outer parts of Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island or the Bronx. But in my experience, the stereotypes of the outer BK, SI, outer Queens people is only half true. They're blue collar and vote Republican often, but they're far from homophobic...except maybe Brighton Beach...but even then not so bad. Chicago I'm not sure on as much, but I'd highly doubt there's anywhere in the city limits a gay person would fear for their life. Philly has the northeast which could be a little hostile, but still not bad.
I'm not saying there is anywhere in Dallas that a gay person would feel uncomfortable or fear for their life. Just saying that in LA, SF, NYC and Chicago, the gay population is very spread out among nearly all neighborhoods. That's a good sign of LGBT-friendliness, like Minneapolis. While there may or may not be a gayborhood, the fact that a gay person can live in nearly any neighborhood in the city is a much better testament to its openness than having a gayborhood or pride parade. Does Dallas have any neighborhoods within city limits where a gay person would feel uncomfortable living?
Personally, I don't like gayborhoods. I'd much rather integrate into the city as a whole and not worry about what neighborhood I'm in. So it's important to me that where I move, I will not be segregated to a select few neighborhoods.
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