The best cities for the african americans in the west (metropolitan, Phoenix)

[tazagthoth]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

SF is not losing blacks at the rate Oakland is, because most blacks from SF are long gone.

Oakland might be the cultural center now. But it is fading fast, and is likely to loose it's status to LA state wide and Stockton for Norcal. Oakland is a west coast version of where Harlem was right before ww2, when the black mecca was about to shift to DC. Her days are numbered and the hey-day (as a black cultural mecca) is long since passed and will continue to pass as Oakland continues to gentrify into an SF suburb.

Exactly. We might as well say RIP to the bay area's Black community. I predict in 50 years there will be close to 0% black population in San Francisco. Once they finish demolishing all the housing projects, that will drive the remainder of the blacks out. Neighborhoods like Sunnydale for example are virtually 100% non-black outside of the projects. Oakland is just as bad as SF though. Yuppies and gentrification will do away with West Oakland's black community, and immigrants will replace them in East Oakland. Add to that the ridiculously high black-on-black murder rate in both cities and the way blacks are killing each other off, no one will want to stick around for much longer.

[rah]

^The Bay Area has around 500,000 black people, I doubt they'll ever ALL be gone, unless there's nuclear war, an alien invasion, the zombie apocalypse, etc. But yeah, it does look like the Bay's black population will continue to drop for the foreseeable future. Also, LA is losing black people too.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by rah

^The Bay Area has around 500,000 black people, I doubt they'll ever ALL be gone, unless there's nuclear war, an alien invasion, the zombie apocalypse, etc. But yeah, it does look like the Bay's black population will continue to drop for the foreseeable future. Also, LA is losing black people too.

We keep having the same discussion with the same people.

Some continue to hold Oakland and the Bay Area to a stricter standard when it comes to the state of Blacks and I think its due to an anti-Califonia bias based on stereotypes and generalizations, which is incredibly ironic.


Its almost as if they 'look down' on Blacks in the Bay Area? Which is highly ironic considering as an entire group, Blacks in the Bay Area do better financially then Blacks in any of the largest metros except Washington DC.

Median Black Family Income, 2005-2009
Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA $64,331
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland $54,471
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside $53,632
New York-Newark-Bridgeport $52,527
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville $48,564
Boston-Worcester-Manchester $48,027
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia $46,807
Dallas-Ft Worth $44,074
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville $43,849
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland $42,821
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City $42,634
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach $42,227
Detroit-Warren-Flint $38,694
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud $33,651

Black Households Earning $200,000+ Annually, 2005-2009
Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA 24,683.................3.1%
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 5,255.................2.8%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside 11,015..................2.4%
New York-Newark-Bridgeport 25,967.........................2.0%
Boston-Worcester-Manchester 2,410........................1.7%
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia 1,115................................1.5%
Atlanta-Sandy Springs_-Gainesville 7,594...................1.3%
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville 3,612............................1.3%
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City 7,167......................1.1%
Dallas-Ft Worth 3,612............................................. 1.1%
Minneapolis 784............................................... ......1.1%
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland 4,586..........................1.0%
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach 3,130.................0.9%
Detroit-Warren-Flint 3,600.......................................0.8%

When it comes to earnings, Blacks in the Bay are first.
Median Earnings for Full Time Employed Black Men, 2005-2009
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 49,523
Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA $46,103
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside $44,436
New York-Newark-Bridgeport $41,491
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia $41,074
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City $41,015
Detroit-Warren-Flint $39,932
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville $38,846
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland $38,774
Boston-Worcester-Manchester $38,242
Dallas-Ft Worth $38,026
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville $37,647
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud $34,341
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach $31,094

Median Earnings for Full Time Employed Black Women, 2005-2009
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland $44,519
Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA $42,770
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside $40,799
New York-Newark-Bridgeport $38,238
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia $35,967
Boston-Worcester-Manchester $35,830
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City $35,796
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland $35,062
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville $34,215
Dallas-Ft Worth $33,686
Detroit-Warren-Flint $33,389
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville $32,959
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud $31,205
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach $29,028

As far as Blacks moving out of the Bay Area, the 2010 Census confirms that the vast majority who leave the technical borders of the Bay Area are simply moving inland to more affordable places still withing 100 miles of San Francisco.

Black population, 100-mile radius around SF Bay

Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race 2000
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 573,036
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City 147,978
Stockton 42,459
Salinas 17,895
Modesto 14,187
Merced 9,418
Total Black Alone or Black combined with another Race: 804,973

Black Alone & Combined with another Race 2010
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 572,204
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba Ciy 163,296
Stockton 61,726
Modesto 19,606
Salinas 16,554
Merced 12,189
Total Black Alone or Black combined with another Race: 845,575

Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race Population Change 2000-2010
Stockton +45.2%
Modesto +35.7%
Merced +29.4%
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City +10.8%
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland -0.1%
Salinas -11.7%
Total Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race Population Change: +5.0%

So basically as of 2010, there are 845,000 Blacks within 100 miles of San Francisco, an increase of 5% over 2000.

Its like theyre saying that Black upward mobility is great elsewhere but its is a bad thing in the Bay Area?

[Cali is not all surfing]

Sacramento is REALLY diversed and surrounding areas except maybe Folsom and Natomas, try there.

[UTHORNS96]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

So basically as of 2010, there are 845,000 Blacks within 100 miles of San Francisco, an increase of 5% over 2000.

Its like theyre saying that Black upward mobility is great elsewhere but its is a bad thing in the Bay Area?

First of all, salaries have nothing to do with quality of life since the cost of living is different in all cities.

Secondly, that's really not that big a number of blacks for a metro of SF's size. Houston and Dallas both have a black metro population of about one million each.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by UTHORNS96

that's really not that big a number of blacks for a metro of SF's size. Houston and Dallas both have a black metro population of about one million each.

Yawns. 845,000 within 100 miles is substantial for any race.

Furthermore, since the Bay Area has twice as many Asians as Dallas and Houston combined, that just illustrates that every area is going to have greater representations of some groups while other areas have greater representations of other groups.

Originally Posted by Census 2010

Asian Population, 2010
Bay Area CSA 1,676,939
Houston CSA 390,357
Dallas CSA 343,782

Is there something wrong with that?

[nyanna]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

For what it's worth to the OP, Oakland is the only city on the list other than LA with blacks well represented across all socio-economic levels. Despite getting the reputation for having a "ghetto" black population, Oakland has one of the largest wealthy black populations for any single city in the country and has one of the strongest middle class black populations. It has the whole gambit of people from black professors to doctors to hipsters to blue collar laborers to artists to small business owners and etc... there's also a huge number of mixed race black people. I've seen everything from black and chinese couples to black and el salvadorean to black and ethnic french... interracial relationships are not only tolerated but accepted here. In my opinion it's about as accepting as it gets for blacks in America barring the terrible relationship with the Oakland Police Department.

will I stand out as a darkskin person ?

[UTHORNS96]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yawns. 845,000 within 100 miles is substantial for any race.

Furthermore, since the Bay Area has twice as many Asians as Dallas and Houston combined, that just illustrates that every area is going to have greater representations of some groups while other areas have greater representations of other groups.


Is there something wrong with that?

When did i say anything was wrong with that? Silly me. For some reason the thread title gave me some crazy idea that this thread was about blacks in the west. Don't be so defensive.

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yawns. 845,000 within 100 miles is substantial for any race.

Furthermore, since the Bay Area has twice as many Asians as Dallas and Houston combined, that just illustrates that every area is going to have greater representations of some groups while other areas have greater representations of other groups.


Is there something wrong with that?

I agree and not only that, but blacks have history and power within the Bay Area. The Bay Area is more in the league of Houston and Dallas and above Seattle or Phoenix.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by nyanna

will I stand out as a darkskin person ?

Not at all.