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Old 01-10-2011, 04:49 PM
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMvARy0lBLE

i think that probably applies to the majority of law students.
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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One of these days, the S**t is really going to hit the fan. Those smug law professors are going to see a riot outside of their window.

Education needs a *Massive* overhaul in this country. Another baby boomer failure is this era of manipulation. "Fudging the numbers" has become such a cancer in this country.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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One of these days, the S**t is really going to hit the fan. Those smug law professors are going to see a riot outside of their window.

Education needs a *Massive* overhaul in this country. Another baby boomer failure is this era of manipulation. "Fudging the numbers" has become such a cancer in this country.
Right on, man. But keeping us stupid helps companies and the government. Hence the Dumbing Down of America. There's a reason this idiocy occurs.

Nothing's going to hit the fan because no one wants to change the way things are here. At least you see it, though. That's good. At least you see data is fudged (everywhere) and that's super, too.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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Right on, man. But keeping us stupid helps companies and the government. Hence the Dumbing Down of America. There's a reason this idiocy occurs.

Nothing's going to hit the fan because no one wants to change the way things are here. At least you see it, though. That's good. At least you see data is fudged (everywhere) and that's super, too.
You can't just keep pumping out masses of law grads into a junk/weak economy ("worst market in decades" quoted in the story)....tuition keeps going up faster than inflation. These smug, elite education types (professors, administrators who collect 6 figure incomes) who sit back in their tidy, air conditioned offices.

And expect everything to run smoothly. Gen Y has been pillaged for every nickel. And these "educators" don't care. They won't care until their last pension check arrives.

The $%&^&* is reallllly going to hit the fan in another 10-15 years. *Major* generational warfare between the scammed gen y'ers (still paying back those loans and seeing their jobs sent overseas). And these fat and happy six figure professors. Don't be suprised Mr Educator if some 37 year old is yanking the plug on your hospital bed.

Education reform has to rewind all the way back to middle school, when you're 14 or 15. Before you take the SAT, or do any kind of college prep testing, you need to look at hard employment statistics. Look at what those professors paid for college and ask yourself if you still want to go. If they paid $600 in 1970, and you're paying $80,000, will that get you excited to go? It would funnel more people into vocational and technical schools, where the risk/reward makes more sense. The real numbers have been hidden for so long, gullible and naive students will believe anything.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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great line from the article:

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law school is a pie-eating contest where the first prize is more pie.
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Old 01-11-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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The profession of law is like startig your own business for most lawyers really. It all deoends on the individual really. But then most professions are like that really now days.
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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law school is basically a con just like grad school
most schools are in business to keep their deans and professors employed with nice salaries and low working hours
they could care less about what their students have to pay to get throught the courses or whether or not they are actually getting viable job skills

my son took MA in creative writing at state university--not the type of school that is recognized as having any "noteworthy" program--but he would not listed to our comments that being a writer did not require a grad degree, that he would have lot of difficulty getting into top rated PhD program after that MA, or that he would not be able to make any real money as college English professor--
basically he just hated what he was doing (teaching jr hi English) and wanted a breather
we paid for his tuition and gave him some money for living expenses in addition to what he got as a TA from the school but he took out quite a lot of loans that we did not know about because he really did not want to scrimp or have a roommate to split the rent
he graduated with a "meaningless" degree in the sense that he could not get into a top PhD program even though he had excellent 4. GPA because he really had done nothing noteworthy that was accepted by literary journals--a major point for any creative writing program graduate--
and his professors encouraged him to continue because basically they needed all the people in their grad courses they could get--to justify their own continuing employment--

he is now working for company that does e-learning web site/materials for elementary/secondary students--he writes content, helps design the teaching formats, etc--
but don't think that his MA is that germane to what he does
and he is getting paid less than he would be making if he had stayed with teaching...
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The lesson, which many people who come to this board don't want to hear, is that school rank matters.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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law school is basically a con just like grad school
most schools are in business to keep their deans and professors employed with nice salaries and low working hours
they could care less about what their students have to pay to get throught the courses or whether or not they are actually getting viable job skills

my son took MA in creative writing at state university--not the type of school that is recognized as having any "noteworthy" program--but he would not listed to our comments that being a writer did not require a grad degree, that he would have lot of difficulty getting into top rated PhD program after that MA, or that he would not be able to make any real money as college English professor--
basically he just hated what he was doing (teaching jr hi English) and wanted a breather
we paid for his tuition and gave him some money for living expenses in addition to what he got as a TA from the school but he took out quite a lot of loans that we did not know about because he really did not want to scrimp or have a roommate to split the rent
he graduated with a "meaningless" degree in the sense that he could not get into a top PhD program even though he had excellent 4. GPA because he really had done nothing noteworthy that was accepted by literary journals--a major point for any creative writing program graduate--
and his professors encouraged him to continue because basically they needed all the people in their grad courses they could get--to justify their own continuing employment--

he is now working for company that does e-learning web site/materials for elementary/secondary students--he writes content, helps design the teaching formats, etc--
but don't think that his MA is that germane to what he does
and he is getting paid less than he would be making if he had stayed with teaching...
A masters in creative writing might be useless but many other masters set you up for a very good job.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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The lesson, which many people who come to this board don't want to hear, is that school rank matters.
School rank also usually means much better connections for a job after you graduate also.
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