Residents, would you reccomend Columbus over Cincinnati or Cleveland (Maumee: crime, how much)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Indonesia is one of the most populated countries on earth. Quick, anyone, without Googling, name some well known amenities in Indonesia that actually draw people there.

Bali. It was in the news this week for banning bikinis and other skimpy, disrespectful clothing from areas near its famous temples.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-hindu-temples

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

You're (unwittingly) helping his argument-by dragging out vague statistics as he talks about actual amenities. When it comes to "the three C's", every Columbus argument for inclusion begins and ends with growth stats. Once the discussion shifts outside of numbers on a page, it becomes hard to even argue that Columbus is even close to being a peer of Cleveland or Cincinnati.

Indonesia is one of the most populated countries on earth. Quick, anyone, without Googling, name some well known amenities in Indonesia that actually draw people there.

One thing I've learned by talking to normal people is that almost nobody knows exactly how large the city they live in actually is. Most people have never heard of MSA.

I encourage people to try this. Ask people you meet how many people live in the city they grew up in. Then later check the stat. I'd say 7/10 times the answers are pretty different.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

You're (unwittingly) helping his argument-by dragging out vague statistics as he talks about actual amenities. When it comes to "the three C's", every Columbus argument for inclusion begins and ends with growth stats. Once the discussion shifts outside of numbers on a page, it becomes hard to even argue that Columbus is even close to being a peer of Cleveland or Cincinnati.

Indonesia is one of the most populated countries on earth. Quick, anyone, without Googling, name some well known amenities in Indonesia that actually draw people there.

So quick question... why aren’t you living in Cleveland? Why is it that so many people singing its praises live elsewhere? I don’t think it’s a matter of growth for Columbus. People have long been choosing to leave Cleveland. For whatever reason, all its supposed pros are not outweighing its cons for more people. Until that changes, all this talk is just empty rhetoric, because even you won’t live there.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So quick question... why aren’t you living in Cleveland? Why is it that so many people singing its praises live elsewhere? I don’t think it’s a matter of growth for Columbus. People have long been choosing to leave Cleveland. For whatever reason, all its supposed pros are not outweighing its cons for more people. Until that changes, all this talk is just empty rhetoric, because even you won’t live there.

I suppose this means we can ignore everything you've ever said about Columbus then?

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So quick question... why aren’t you living in Cleveland? Why is it that so many people singing its praises live elsewhere? I don’t think it’s a matter of growth for Columbus. People have long been choosing to leave Cleveland. For whatever reason, all its supposed pros are not outweighing its cons for more people. Until that changes, all this talk is just empty rhetoric, because even you won’t live there.

Not living somewhere does not equal "won't live there." The fact that I don't have a house in Malibu doesn't mean I "won't live there."

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Not living somewhere does not equal "won't live there." The fact that I don't have a house in Malibu doesn't mean I "won't live there."

Right that is pretty awful logic when you think about it for... half a second.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I suppose this means we can ignore everything you've ever said about Columbus then?

Why? I didn’t leave because I hated the city, had economic issues or because I wasn’t happy there. I’m still actively involved with the city as well, both with my own site and soon I’ll be working with 2 other companies there. My absence has pretty much nothing to do with how I felt about Columbus or any real or perceived problems with it, and eventually I’ll go back. Sorry, but it just doesn’t apply. Can you honestly say that most people who leave Cleveland aren’t largely leaving for those reasons, though? I don’t think you can. And this attempt at whataboutism basically counts as a non-answer.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Not living somewhere does not equal "won't live there." The fact that I don't have a house in Malibu doesn't mean I "won't live there."

True, but that doesn’t refute my point. Based on surveys, we know most people move from place to place for economic and quality of life reasons. You might like Cleveland, but you’re in California for a reason, same as Jimmy’s in Boston- and the same reason Cleveland continues to lose more people than it takes in. For all the things you say are good about it, somewhere else just had better. That’s the dynamic so many of the boosters refuse to acknowledge. Whether Columbus is objectively better doesn’t even matter so long as people believe it is. And a lot more of them than not absolutely do. Calling them fools while spending your days in California rings pretty hollow to me.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Right that is pretty awful logic when you think about it for... half a second.

Nope. If Cleveland’s biggest fans won’t put their money where their mouths are, they shouldn’t be critical of those who might like Columbus better.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Why? I didn’t leave because I hated the city, had economic issues or because I wasn’t happy there. I’m still actively involved with the city as well, both with my own site and soon I’ll be working with 2 other companies there. My absence has pretty much nothing to do with how I felt about Columbus or any real or perceived problems with it, and eventually I’ll go back. Sorry, but it just doesn’t apply. Can you honestly say that most people who leave Cleveland aren’t largely leaving for those reasons, though? I don’t think you can. And this attempt at whataboutism basically counts as a non-answer.

Lol the irony is amazing. Thanks for that.