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The whole POINT is they could have done said waiting across the street like they were asked,told then demanded to. They could have waited (across the street) until the situation calmed down to get their stuff.
Did the cops cross the street to the kids that went over there (when told) and start hassling them? It didn't look like it nor have I heard that happened. So, just crossing the street would have been a safe place. You wouldn't run into a burning building to get your backpack would you? Why not? Well, you may get burned not to mention it's stupid.
The instructions they were getting were rather confused. Did Casebolt want them across the street, or did he want them sitting down? Did he want all of them sitting down, or just the ones he directed to sit down? Casebolt was not at all consistent.
He wasn't even consistent with the other officers. One officer was talking calmly to a group of boys, then Casebolt ran up and demanded those boys immediately hit the ground, catching the other officer right in mid-sentence. If the police can't get their own act together, a bunch of teenagers can't be expected to.
No, sadly none of them will think twice to do this again.
Why y'all ask? Well, given that a cop got fired, all these "civil rights" aka race hustlers are jumping into this, lawyers are involved and lawsuits are sure to follow and just by what is written here they think the public is behind them what negative consequences for them have happened to teach them about the error of their ways?
I suggest the only thing that's happened is they and other teens have been shown it's just fine (and possibly profitable) to act like an arse, especially if you're young and black...
I completely agree. Earlier I said something to the effect of wishing we could once again be a nation with widespread support and respect for the police, and a police force deserving of that respect. But these situations, in which biased media reporting make it nearly impossible for the police in question to keep his job, continue to fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police.
I know I'm going to sound like an old fogey here, but when I was a teen, if I had EVER mouthed off to ANY adult like some of the teens do to POLICE in videos I've seen.....I don't even want to think about what punishments my parents would have doled out!
Why?? Because it sheds a credible point of view of how this whole thing started? It doesn't line up with the black racial agenda? Please stop living the lie that you are oppressed.
I completely agree. Earlier I said something to the effect of wishing we could once again be a nation with widespread support and respect for the police, and a police force deserving of that respect. But these situations, in which biased media reporting make it nearly impossible for the police in question to keep his job, continue to fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police.
I know I'm going to sound like an old fogey here, but when I was a teen, if I had EVER mouthed off to ANY adult like some of the teens do to POLICE in videos I've seen.....I don't even want to think about what punishments my parents would have doled out!
We are now in the midst of several generations that have been either one parent house holds or no parent house hold latch key kids that have little to no education and were raised on the hip hop culture, of ALL races and they don't know what it's like to be held accountable, or to respect authority because they had no real authority when they were children and have no issue living off the government dole, Section 8, food stamps, Obama phones, etc... I would love to follow the lives of all the individual's involved in this fracas from the children, to adults and the cops over the next 20 years to see what became of the're lives.
The officer who drew his gun apparently did so not in response to the teenage girl, but to a man whose actions and motions indicated he might be about to draw a weapon.
This is the most obnoxious thought process- even by, and I apologize in advance, our current police officers.
Listen, it's not a one sided case. There are issues, and I mean deeply imbedded issues, on both sides.
There is a thing called "cause & effect". The officer could have easily left the 15 year old alone. YOU DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF YOUR SUSPECTS IN HANDCUFFS. That is partly why the guy in Brooklyn died because of failure to check on his welfare after the handcuffing. It's a safety issue.
The girl had every right to stand there as long as she was not in direct harm or contaminating the investigation. If he needed them to leave, he should have waited for back up to assist, not be superman and commit to a large crowd. Yes, her mouth got her in deep trouble but you don't leave your suspects that are detained. You don't go after someone simply for running their mouths. As a supervisor and known to have all these "trainings" he should known better but it isn't that easy to suppress the excitement.
The reaction of the people are because of them seeing him man handle a 15 year old by-stander as you see them all running back to help her. There reaction was humane and normal in trying to help a helpless person/friend, not to attack the officer.
On the other hand, as result of their reaction, the officer had a right to defend himself in any which REASONABLE manner if he felt a threat. Drawing his weapon wasn't unreasonable but it WAS the result of his own doing to draw the reaction from the people. A lot of this all comes from being too wired, not decompressed, and being complacent. The officer is wound up and can't shut it off easily. The job does this to you and officers need more counseling.
The bottom line is that most people have no LEO experience or have no social dynamic understanding. There are so many elements beyond his and their actions.
P.S.- yes, it was the result of the kids misbehaving and the girl mouthing off that caused the officer to unleash his own demons. However, the officer is trained to remain calm and think critically during times of high risk.
I completely agree. Earlier I said something to the effect of wishing we could once again be a nation with widespread support and respect for the police, and a police force deserving of that respect. But these situations, in which biased media reporting make it nearly impossible for the police in question to keep his job, continue to fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police.
Here is a clue. The problem is with the police, not the media. Shooting the messenger is not going to solve the problem. Respect needs to be earned, and police acting like this, are not earning respect. Why would any normal person respect a fully grown man slamming a small bikini clad 14 year old girl on to the sidewalk, and then sitting on top of her? If he didn't have a badge and a gun, somebody would beat the crap out of him for acting that way. But he is supposed to get a pass because he is a cop? It doesn't work that way. That is what is fueling the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". The police need to be controlled. If you are not willing to control the police, the problem will only get worse.
Here is a clue. The problem is with the police, not the media. Shooting the messenger is not going to solve the problem. Respect needs to be earned, and police acting like this, are not earning respect. Why would any normal person respect a fully grown man slamming a small bikini clad 14 year old girl on to the sidewalk, and then sitting on top of her? If he didn't have a badge and a gun, somebody would beat the crap out of him for acting that way. But he is supposed to get a pass because he is a cop? It doesn't work that way.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". The police need to be controlled. If you are not willing to control the police, the problem will only get worse.
And you get it. You absolutely get it. Everyone keeps saying he had every right to pull out his weapon but imagine you seeing your daughter get slammed as such simply cause the officer "had enough of her mouth".
This is what you call mutual dynamics- nobody is getting away scott free. There are major faults on both sides here. However, I will say that the environment and stressful every day to day dealings is tough on police. Dealing with scumbags and chasing bad guys all day makes it hard to come home and turn it off. Same as the boys that go down range in the desert. They can't be given the triple threat.
Out of control cops are what fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police! When the police deserve respect they'll get respect, but not until then.
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Originally Posted by kayanne
I completely agree. Earlier I said something to the effect of wishing we could once again be a nation with widespread support and respect for the police, and a police force deserving of that respect. But these situations, in which biased media reporting make it nearly impossible for the police in question to keep his job, continue to fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police.
I know I'm going to sound like an old fogey here, but when I was a teen, if I had EVER mouthed off to ANY adult like some of the teens do to POLICE in videos I've seen.....I don't even want to think about what punishments my parents would have doled out!
Out of control cops are what fuel the fire of disrespect and belligerence toward police! When the police deserve respect they'll get respect, but not until then.
That might work okay with your next door neighbor, but it's a foolish attitude to take with a police officer. You're supposed to respect their position and if you don't respect their position, you're going to create a really miserable life for yourself and/or your offspring that heed your foolish counsel.
Imagine getting pulled over for doing 78 in a 55 mph zone and telling the trooper, "I will not show you any respect until I see that you deserve it."
Good luck with that.
I've seen a lot of foolish comments at City Data, but yours pretty well takes the cake. And a couple toasters, too.
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You wouldn't run into a burning building to get your backpack would you? Why not? Well, you may get burned not to mention it's stupid.
