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Old 09-22-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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No fence or door will ever take the place of a vigilant parent.
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Old 09-22-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: not normal, IL
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I wouldn't say it's mostly the g-grandmother's fault, not at all, in view of the fact that the parents left the house knowing she was asleep, AND they left the garage door wide open, providing an easy exit route for the toddlers. The g-ma slept through most of it; how could it have been her fault? The parents set the whole thing up through their own incomprehensible carelessness.
I didn't read that in the article, I'm guessing you found a more detailed article. Yes, that completely changes my answer.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:51 PM
 
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Oh good lord. How terrible.

I don't want to point fingers...but an hour before calling 911? If my kids that age went missing (I have 2 kids a year apart), 5 minutes! I called 911 once after about 5 minutes (we found them hiding for fun in a closet so I was able to call off the dogs). I was terrified! If they aren't in the house, call 911.
I have children of my own, but you also want to remain calm and look for them at places you might think they'll be first because you just might find them. When you run out of places you can think of, then call 911.
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Old 09-23-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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At some point you gotta hold either the parents or the caretaker responsible. And really, their great-grandmother was the person watching them? Maybe she was simply too old to have her look after small kids. And look at what the last paragraph says:


Obviously these poor kids were not watched closely enough. I'm sure the pool owners feel just as bad! Several issues here.....


First, need to have child care that actually watches the child! Especially at their ages as they don't know any better. You can't leave toddlers alone even for a second!


Secondly, anyone who has a pool needs to make sure safety measures are in place. Unfortunately, in most states you can't blame trespassing. You need to have a fence or some kind of locking gate on the pool. Pools are a safety hazard in the eyes of insurance companies. You have to make sure if you have one there is no liability.


Very sad either way and I feel sorry for all involved!
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Obviously these poor kids were not watched closely enough. I'm sure the pool owners feel just as bad! Several issues here.....


First, need to have child care that actually watches the child! Especially at their ages as they don't know any better. You can't leave toddlers alone even for a second!


Secondly, anyone who has a pool needs to make sure safety measures are in place. Unfortunately, in most states you can't blame trespassing. You need to have a fence or some kind of locking gate on the pool. Pools are a safety hazard in the eyes of insurance companies. You have to make sure if you have one there is no liability.


Very sad either way and I feel sorry for all involved!
Legally, pools are an "attractive nuisance." The pool owner is at fault for the deaths. I hope they have really good homeowner's insurance because the judgment for killing two kids will run into the millions.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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Poor family... I feel sorry for them. Terrible situation...

Toddlers Drown in Southeast Fresno Pool - Story | KSEE and KGPE

I'm not particularly religious so was a little puzzled over the gofundme page "story", but everyone grieves in their own way... those kids were so cute.

https://www.gofundme.com/2q5ft7ky
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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Legally, pools are an "attractive nuisance." The pool owner is at fault for the deaths. I hope they have really good homeowner's insurance because the judgment for killing two kids will run into the millions.
Legally maybe they will be held responsible but I hope not. The parents are responsible for this tragedy!! This is exactly why I no longer have a pool, homeowners shouldn't have to be responsible for other people's children. We recently had a case in Kokomo, IN (Howard County) where a 2 year old drowned in the neighbors pool while mom took a nap. This happened in July and nobody has been charged yet. Accidents happen.
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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I have children of my own, but you also want to remain calm and look for them at places you might think they'll be first because you just might find them. When you run out of places you can think of, then call 911.
At 2 and 3, there just weren't a lot of places they could be. It would take less then 5 minutes to search the house, near by yards and knock on a couple doors. Then I'd call 911. But I wouldn't be calm, that is such a huge trigger for me. Even losing my dog freaks me out!
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Poor family... I feel sorry for them. Terrible situation...

Toddlers Drown in Southeast Fresno Pool - Story | KSEE and KGPE

I'm not particularly religious so was a little puzzled over the gofundme page "story", but everyone grieves in their own way... those kids were so cute.

https://www.gofundme.com/2q5ft7ky
So sad

But that gofundme write up was really weird.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:17 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Legally, pools are an "attractive nuisance." The pool owner is at fault for the deaths. I hope they have really good homeowner's insurance because the judgment for killing two kids will run into the millions.
This is just asinine. It is their fault because their neighbor just did not watch the kids you know like a parental figure should. So every time a child is not being watched and hurt themselves someone else should be blamed? I really hope you are not a parent.
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