01-01-2016, 11:09 AM
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I meant, considering a job in Columbus as well...
01-01-2016, 12:58 PM
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I'd hasten to add that it's important to note a quirk of Ohio: local income taxes. Taxes in Dayton-city and in Oakwood are high. In Washington Township, and most other townships, there is no local income tax (some townships do have a "school district tax"). It's also true that a larger town/suburb, such as Kettering, might differ substantially from one end to the other. Parts are new, fairly affluent, and offer impressive (by local standards) housing. Others, rather less so.
As concerns outlying towns with cute/traditional downtowns, it's also worth mentioning Troy, north of Dayton, and Wilmington, south-east of Dayton. Both might be long commutes (depending on where the OP's husband will be working, of course), but are worthy of consideration in terms of walkability and small-town appeal. But do be wary of the local taxes! Sometimes the best option is to live in the township adjacent to town, outside of city-limits, but within a short drive of the town center.
01-03-2016, 09:20 AM
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I meant, considering a job in Columbus as well...
My bad. Columbus offers a robust job market as well. I think it is more white-collar oriented, especially in banking/finance and retail/restaurant/hospitality industries.
Chase has major operations, mostly out near Polaris, as well as downtown Columbus. Huntington Bank is HQ'd downtown. US Bank also has a large presence. Retail includes mega-chain L Brands (Victoria Secret's, Bath & Body Works, White Barn), Express, Lane Bryant, Justice/Tween Brands, Big Lots, and Abercrombie & Fitch. Restaurants/Hospitality include Cameron Mitchell Family (Rusty Bucket, other local favorites), Bravo/Brio Group, and Red Roof Inn's HQ. Insurance is another large industry with Nationwide's HQ also being downtown. Cardinal Health, a Fortune 50 company, is HQ'd in Dublin.
Dayton, meanwhile, doesn't have nearly as much white-collar work. What it lacks there it makes up in manufacturing and more traditional blue-collar work. With automation, these are not the heavy employment industries of the past and many now require specific trade skills and crafts. Gone are the days when a HS degree (or less) could hold you at $20+/hour on an assembly line. Many may mourn the passing of that system, but it is what it is. If you want to compete in the global economy, education (technical or collegiate) is important. I constantly see articles speaking of the number of job openings in the Dayton region, many going unfilled for months. This isn't because of a lack of people, but a lack of people with the right skill sets. Fuyao Industries is building up a presence in glass assembly. Behr hired and expanded its Dayton ops. The biggest hits to white-collar work happened during/before the recession. Mead's HQ left in the early 2000's after a merger. And NCR packed up and left without telling anyone in advance for Georgia, leaving a bad taste in many mouths. It became so nasty that it was a large influence on voters in this area choosing not to reelect Strickland to the state Governorship back in 2010.
Defense and the Defense Department are the other large industries in Dayton (or its surroundings). Every major defense company has some presence, large or small in Dayton or its suburbs. Northrup Grumman buys local advertising because of the number of influencers in Dayton's broadcast area who make decisions for Air Force and military purchases. As an extension of the engineering roles around the base and its Air Force Research Laboratory HQ site, there are plenty of engineering jobs in Dayton too. Most require some skill set in defense (and some require a level of security clearance, though there are many that do not as well). Dayton consistently ranks around the top 5-10 nationally for number of engineers per head in its regional population.
It creates quite a dichotomy in the regional economy, with many of the manufacturing, blue-collar families having lost out big in the economic recession of 2007-2009. Their jobs never returned, many from descendants of Kentucky and West Virginia hill country folks who came in the first half of the 20th century for factory jobs. Whereas, many of the high-paying defense and engineering employees tend to be from out of the area, were not hurt nearly as bad in the recession, and live in the wealthier suburbs. They place a high value on education (partly because they have reaped the benefits of higher-education). It would make an interesting economic or urban studies thesis or research study. But I digress.
Basically, depending on what your husband does, OP, you will probably find better fits in a certain metro over another. These aren't inclusive to everything in either metro. I.e. there are software/IT positions across both. Same with administrative and managerial positions. The point of this post is to show what each regions (Dayton and Columbus) offerings are in terms of employment industries.
Hope this helps a little in understanding the areas differences!
01-04-2016, 07:52 AM
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Thanks Wrightflyer! Good to hear there is at least one white-collar industry strong in Dayton...engineering. My husband is a landscape architect in high-end design/build residential. So being in an area with affluent house market for his career is important. I am a corporate recruiter, work from home for a Fortune 500. As a recruiter I just want to make sure down the road there could be job options for me if I ever switch companies. Luckily I can keep my current job even though we could move.
We just got back from a trip to Dayton, Mason and Columbus this weekend. Saw quite a bit!
We loved the Oakwood neighborhood. Didn't really venture to other towns b/c we liked it so much. Very walkable, close to schools, parks, shops, etc. Seems like a great place to raise children. It reminded me of Louisville (Lexington rd, st matthews area). But I found it odd that there were limited restaurants in the area though, looks like you have to go to downtown Dayton for that? Does Dayton have a lot of community events, parades, art festivals, free concerts in the park? We enjoy doing those activities in Louisville (I love the local vibe/food scene in Louisville, didn't get the vibe in Dayton). We were impressed by the hills and friendly people. I could be happy living in Oakwood! Downtown Dayton was ok, saw they have a waterfront park, nice baseball stadium and area for going on...which is all we need at this point of our lives, having a 5 year old. I'm trying to get a realistic picture of the cost of homes...saw homes $500k+, and homes below $200k. Looking for a middle range like $250k to up to low 300's.
We went to Mason as well....my husband didn't care for it. Very new, massive buildings for community center, public schools, just didn't have the charm.
Columbus- downtown is so clean!! Also you can tell they put a lot of $$$ into new development. Seems to be on the rise, and liked that the urban neighborhoods are apart of the city instead of sprawled out into suburbs like Louisville. Really liked Short North, German Village and Victoria Village- but sounds like we would need to do private, Upper Arlington was great-but looks pricey, Grandview-more walkable than Arlington but looks like small houses. Dublin-nice upper scale suburb with cute downtown. I felt that Columbus has a lot going on as far as activities and size of downtown/urban vibe compared to Dayton. Looks like taxes will be higher and housing compared to what we're use to...won't get much.
01-04-2016, 02:19 PM
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Glad to hear that you had a chance to visit and liked Oakwood!
For landscape architecture, there's a market for it in the area but it's not big. A few "big" players (Marty Grunder, etc.) dominate the market, and have for many years. There seems to be a degree of stability there, since it's not hard for a Dayton contractor to win a Cincy job and vice versa. I assume there are more landscape architects in Cincinnati though - somebody has to keep up those Indian Hill estates and I doubt it's done by their owners haha.
For restaurants, there are a number of them at the bottom of the hill along Brown St (Dayton city limits, but not downtown), as well as to the south along Dorothy Ln. A lot of chain fast casual spots on the Brown St. corridor (keep in mind this is where the UD crowd frequents too), more newer independents towards South Park and the OD, and some good, decades old independents are scattered throughout Kettering along Dorothy or near it like Mama DiSalvo's.
Dayton has a good amount of community events, it's just harder to find where they are. The Fraze Pavilion in Kettering (easy to bike there) has some free concerts, I believe. Lots of parades downtown, and I'm sure Oakwood/Kettering do a lot too. Art festivals happen downtown for the most part, but Kettering has a nice arts center by Fraze Pavilion that hosts some events. I'll post some good resources in a few min.
Columbus is really nice too, downtown and the neighborhoods are great. I'm a huge fan of German Village in particular, love the walkability and character there. Grandview wouldn't be a bad option at $300k, but you would get a smaller house. The metro itself is 2x the size of Dayton so there will be more going on. Not sure about taxes.
Good luck!
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01-05-2016, 09:52 PM
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We went to Mason as well....my husband didn't care for it. just didn't have the charm.
BBBUT..It's Cincinnati's most publicized, envied and sought after satellite city.
As a rule of thumb, the older the area the higher the walkability, the newer areas are way more car centric and may not even have sidewalks.
Dayton used to be a lot more fun, I used to go to a lot of places that are gone now, I was into the rave party scene in the 90s but a lot of those places are gone, but also a lot of what was shut down resembled "lively Shively"
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)