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Old 07-03-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Has anyone gone from a high fat (mainly meat and dairy (cheese)) diet to a primarily
vegan diet with success?

I've been researching insulin resistance and high fat diets (some links below) and there seems to be
compelling evidence:
Insulin Resistance: A Vicious Circle Of Excess Fat

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dia...-fat-toxicity/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/wha...in-resistance/
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Old 07-03-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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Well, one of the things that can have the most impact on insulin-resistance is excess bodily-fat.

A diet that is very high in fat, such as Keto, can temporarily increase insulin-resistance. This is a natural,
non-pathological form of insulin-resistance, that is beneficial due to its glucose-sparing nature. And yes,
fat-mediated insulin-resistance is usually benign in people eating a proper high-fat/very low-carb/low-protein diet.

Felines are naturally insulin-resistant. This is not a problem, until they start eating too many carbs.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Felines are naturally insulin-resistant. This is not a problem, until they start eating too many carbs.
Interesting to know. My cat is overweight and just wants more and more food. More than likely the food I am feeding her is all carbs and probably made up of grains like corn and wheat. I haven't actually read the label but it is just regular cat food. I am thinking of switching her to a grain free food.
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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Has anyone gone from a high fat (mainly meat and dairy (cheese)) diet to a primarily
vegan diet with success?

I've been researching insulin resistance and high fat diets (some links below) and there seems to be
compelling evidence:
Insulin Resistance: A Vicious Circle Of Excess Fat

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dia...-fat-toxicity/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/wha...in-resistance/
If you are looking for even more proof, try Dr. John McDougall at https://www.drmcdougall.com/ and Dr. Neal Barnard.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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Lowering fat intake may increase insulin sensitivity but fat has no insulin response. It's the only food you an eat that does not increase blood sugar whatsoever, thereby eliminating or severely reducing the need for insulin. It's a double edge sword and not that simple. Most fat comes with protein and hardly anybody eats pure butter or fat. Fats are essential for life and switching to a vegan diet means consuming more foods which are higher in carbohydrates. If you eliminate meat (protein) and fats, what are you left with when you switch to being a vegan? Vegetables and many fruits are fine for a diabetic however grains are not. Too many grains cause other health problems as well and are generally not a good idea for diabetics.

IMO insulin resistance comes from overproduction of insulin which comes from over consumption of certain kinds of carbohydrates. In these cases the body produces more than the cells can use. Since insulin is the "fat storage" hormone, those same carbohydrates (glucose) are converted to fat this is of course if you don't burn the glucose with proper exercise.

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Old 07-10-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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Lowering fat intake may increase insulin sensitivity but fat has no insulin response. It's the only food you an eat that does not increase blood sugar whatsoever, thereby eliminating or severely reducing the need for insulin. It's a double edge sword and not that simple. Most fat comes with protein and hardly anybody eats pure butter or fat. Fats are essential for life and switching to a vegan diet means consuming more foods which are higher in carbohydrates. If you eliminate meat (protein) and fats, what are you left with when you switch to being a vegan? Vegetables and many fruits are fine for a diabetic however grains are not. Too many grains cause other health problems as well and are generally not a good idea for diabetics.

IMO insulin resistance comes from overproduction of insulin which comes from over consumption of certain kinds of carbohydrates. In these cases the body produces more than the cells can use. Since insulin is the "fat storage" hormone, those same carbohydrates (glucose) are converted to fat this is of course if you don't burn the glucose with proper exercise.

HUM, I am of the opinion that SOME people with carbohydrate-metabolism-disorders can very much benefit form a very low-fat/high-carb diet.......even a diet that includes a lot of grains and fruit. It is just so complicated, nutrition impacts different people in many different ways.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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HUM, I am of the opinion that SOME people with carbohydrate-metabolism-disorders can very much benefit form a very low-fat/high-carb diet.......even a diet that includes a lot of grains and fruit. It is just so complicated, nutrition impacts different people in many different ways.
I am of the same opinion. One thing that complicates the issue is treatment. For those people that control their diabetes with diet alone, the need to restrict carbs would need to much greater. If on insulin and to a lesser degree medication, consuming more carbs such as grains and fruit would not be a problem and would still keep BG at acceptable levels.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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I am of the same opinion. One thing that complicates the issue is treatment. For those people that control their diabetes with diet alone, the need to restrict carbs would need to much greater. If on insulin and to a lesser degree medication, consuming more carbs such as grains and fruit would not be a problem and would still keep BG at acceptable levels.

I think for SOME people, when they go ultra-low in fat and eat a very healthy, high-carb diet of basic foods like fruit, grains, veggies/starchy-veggies, potatoes, etc.......something beneficial happens to their bodies after a while. Among the benefits is a lowering of insulin-resistance, improved blood-lipids and a overall healthier body.


I have seen a lot of low-fat/high-carb people, who do it very smartly, and they look very trim, slim and healthy. I think the biggest potential negative is both that low-fat/high carb does not work for quite a big percentage of people who try it, and the possibility for long-term nutritional-deficiencies if they don't supplement.
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Old 07-21-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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Lowering fat intake may increase insulin sensitivity but fat has no insulin response. It's the only food you an eat that does not increase blood sugar whatsoever, thereby eliminating or severely reducing the need for insulin. It's a double edge sword and not that simple. Most fat comes with protein and hardly anybody eats pure butter or fat. Fats are essential for life and switching to a vegan diet means consuming more foods which are higher in carbohydrates. If you eliminate meat (protein) and fats, what are you left with when you switch to being a vegan? Vegetables and many fruits are fine for a diabetic however grains are not. Too many grains cause other health problems as well and are generally not a good idea for diabetics.

IMO insulin resistance comes from overproduction of insulin which comes from over consumption of certain kinds of carbohydrates. In these cases the body produces more than the cells can use. Since insulin is the "fat storage" hormone, those same carbohydrates (glucose) are converted to fat this is of course if you don't burn the glucose with proper exercise.
So does that suggest when a person takes insulin from a needle that that insulin is forced into the cells by the quantity of insulin,and any extra left over becomes fat like most people experience the weaigh gains associated? Thanx.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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So does that suggest when a person takes insulin from a needle that that insulin is forced into the cells by the quantity of insulin,and any extra left over becomes fat like most people experience the weaigh gains associated? Thanx.
Not really.

It just means there's more insulin than the pancreas can pump out (most diabetics don't take insulin as they can pump out sufficient insulin). It just takes a lot more insulin and a lot longer for excess blood glucose to be cleared.

Insulin doesn't last long in the body. Endogenous insulin that your pancreas pumps out only usually gets broken down in a matter of minutes, either cleared by the kidneys or broken down when it binds with insulin receptors. That's kind of necessary in someone without diabetes as if the insulin was long-lasting you could end up easily overshooting and having hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).

For injected stuff, there's fast acting and long-acting. Lantus, for example, isn't cleared by the kidneys so it just keeps swimming around for quite a while. The point is you don't need to inject the stuff every time you eat anything. It's not the insulin that is being converted to fat. Insulin is just necessary to get blood glucose into cells where the glucose is turned into triglycerides and stored as fat.
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