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When you have a good mate of yours die from obesity and the main cause what caused him to not turn his life around is people who told him that he is fine as he is and that its not his fault he is fat then you can judge my hard approach. Its called tough love and we need to start telling fat people that their weight is disgusting (just like how we tell our smoker mates how their habit is disgusting) Taking the soft approach is not working
Cry me a river, really. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, but it does not give you license to go around berating others. And FYI: my brother is a smoker. I don't tell him how disgusting his habit is. He already knows. It's his choice, and none of my business. He is, after all, a grown man.
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Overweight children are more often than not the product of overweight parents. They really have no shot at eating healthy because they are learning food habits from their parents. Personally I think it is child abuse.
Excuses, excuses. Yes, parents play a HUGE role, but it does not mean that children of overweight parents are automatically going to be overweight themselves. My mom was overweight. I would pit my athletic abilities against anyone on this forum.
So many blogers saying that just because they are fat it does not mean that they are unhealthy its quite a shocking read to see that many people in self denial.
Cry me a river, really. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, but it does not give you license to go around berating others. And FYI: my brother is a smoker. I don't tell him how disgusting his habit is. He already knows. It's his choice, and none of my business. He is, after all, a grown man.
Excuses, excuses. Yes, parents play a HUGE role, but it does not mean that children of overweight parents are automatically going to be overweight themselves. My mom was overweight. I would pit my athletic abilities against anyone on this forum.
Easy there, no need to go all Rambo on us. And there are quite a few of us who are very athletic so your bluster is in vein.
The point I was making was that if you see an overweight child the chances are overwhelming that the parents will be overweight. That does not mean when the child grows old enough to make decisions for themselves to better their health, but that is rare. It is bad eating habits passed down to each generation, and each generation seeing nothing wrong with it.
I do not think anyone here advocates telling people their habits are unhealthy, the point is that everyone is responsible for their own decisions and if they happen to be poor ones then they alone have to pay for them.
Easy there, no need to go all Rambo on us. And there are quite a few of us who are very athletic so your bluster is in vein.
No bluster, just the truth. I was halfway through my 20s before my mom began to lose weight. But even before she did, she encouraged sports and recreational activities that involved getting out and doing stuff. And I know plenty of other mothers who were the same way. Just pull up to a Saturday morning soccer game in Anytown, USA. You don't always see a lot of swimsuit models in the stands, yet there they are with all their "physical imperfections" still encouraging their kids to do something physical.
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I do not think anyone here advocates telling people their habits are unhealthy...
Ask the OP about how he feels about your statement.
I think the medical field would be able to determine poor patient decisions re: sexual health, by the mere fact that they have an STD.
You can't backtrack, you can't determine lifestyle choices by diseases. Even though smoking increases your risk of getting lung cancer, having lung cancer doesn't mean you smoked. Getting an STD doesn't mean you were promiscuous.
You can't backtrack, you can't determine lifestyle choices by diseases. Even though smoking increases your risk of getting lung cancer, having lung cancer doesn't mean you smoked. Getting an STD doesn't mean you were promiscuous.
On a similar note, simply being overweight does not make one lazy, stupid and full of excuses, such as the OP would have us believe.
On a similar note, simply being overweight does not make one lazy, stupid and full of excuses, such as the OP would have us believe.
You don't get overweight with an active lifestyle and healthy eating, just saying.
As I said in another thread I dont cars if someone if fat along as they take personal reaponsblity for their poor lifestyle choices, pay for 2 seats on the plane and don't raise fat offspring. Putty these days most fat people will blame anything but themselves for their weight. Admit it's your fault and I will have no problem with you
You don't get overweight with an active lifestyle and healthy eating, just saying.
As I said in another thread I dont cars if someone if fat along as they take personal reaponsblity for their poor lifestyle choices, pay for 2 seats on the plane and don't raise fat offspring. Putty these days most fat people will blame anything but themselves for their weight. Admit it's your fault and I will have no problem with you
But does being overweight make someone lazy, stupid, and full of excuses? Yes or no?
What's your solution to helping an overweight person turn their life around when that overweight person believes that they cant because of people who told them that their weight is not their fault then?
First off, It takes the desire to want to change. When a person chooses not to smoke or drink that is far easier as they can and will live without. but that isn't true of food. It is a case of moderation and lots of education and breaking old habits.
You can't rely on doctors as they have virtually no knowledge of nutrition or diet. The gov. certainly ahs no clue. Largely it is by luck someone will come to find the truth to losing weight, and that is carbs are what keep you fat, not fat. People wrongly try to cut out fat which is an essential nutrient.
Sugars and carbs (which quickly convert to sugar) are very addictive and hard to break away from. Taste for healthy foods can be hard for someone with no exposure to such.... not counting simply not knowing anything about Millet or Quinoa or other complex grains.
How many Americans are told fruits are great?... that can be true...if you aren't morbidly obese and then it is a carb which creates problems for the person.
So if you are able to overcome nutritional education you can still be faced with the emotional challenges. which may require dealing with painful topics, death of a loved one, incest, rape, abandonment... and much more.
It isn't as easy as one would like to believe. It is hard to say what demons lie beneath the surface. You don't relate because it isn't your issue. food isn't what you were taught to use to stuff an emotion, or use as comfort.
It is easy to preach but sometimes hard to hear. for some fat people it would be as hard for them to overcome as say, it is for a CD'er to not be judgmental.
Tolerance for all, as we have no idea what it is like to walk in another's shoes.
You can't backtrack, you can't determine lifestyle choices by diseases. Even though smoking increases your risk of getting lung cancer, having lung cancer doesn't mean you smoked. Getting an STD doesn't mean you were promiscuous.
And having high cholesterol, high blood pressure etc. doesn't mean it came from you being overweight.
On the other thread it lists my BMI as 22, and my blood pressure went through the roof about a year ago. Why? Just is....
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