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I think this post is extremely off the mark. Look at this statement.
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Specifically, U.S.-born workers will benefit from the new businesses and innovations created by high-skilled workers. For example, studies have not just found that immigrants patent at higher rates than natives, they've also found that when U.S.-born scientists increase their proximity to immigrant scientists, their rate of patenting goes up as well.
Even if you suppose this statement is true, how many of the people that are affected by the recent immigration news are research scientists and highly educated, productive people? I work at a company with many educated, productive immigrants, and none of these people are hiding in the shadows. They've been on the up and up and done things the right way.
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In addition, as undocumented workers covered by the announced actions enter the mainstream economy as legally authorized workers, they will be able to work in jobs that better fit their particular level of skills, rather than becoming concentrated in occupations or industries where the likelihood of detection and deportation is lowest.
Again, those who are highly skilled are probably dealing with things the correct way, red tape and all. Complying with government policy as-is is a PITA. Industries like meat packing, construction, and landscaping have relatively low rates of detection, large numbers of illegal employees, and furthermore, what evidence is there to say the people working in these industries are engineers, doctors, or scientists?
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Allowing more foreign-born entrepreneurs to come to our country -- to create jobs and to innovate -- is one common sense step to help grow the American economy. Another is enhancing the ability of science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) graduates from U.S. universities to further their on-the-job training for longer periods, something that will boost the overall skill level of the American workforce.
For every immigrant like Elon Musk creating immense prosperity, how many low skilled immigrants do we have from the third world who are illiterate, do not speak English, are low skilled, and potentially diseased that are drains on the system? The best are already here legally.
For every immigrant like Elon Musk creating immense prosperity, how many low skilled immigrants do we have from the third world who are illiterate, do not speak English, are low skilled, and potentially diseased that are drains on the system? The best are already here legally.
...how many of the people that are affected by the recent immigration news
are research scientists and highly educated, productive people?
Almost none. Which is also true.
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CNN is becoming more irrelevant by the day.
Obfuscation and pandering.
There are a lot of well intentioned people who really don't see the distinction...
and there are a lot of manipulative people who do all they can to keep it that way.
I think this post is extremely off the mark. Look at this statement.
Even if you suppose this statement is true, how many of the people that are affected by the recent immigration news are research scientists and highly educated, productive people? I work at a company with many educated, productive immigrants, and none of these people are hiding in the shadows. They've been on the up and up and done things the right way.
Again, those who are highly skilled are probably dealing with things the correct way, red tape and all. Complying with government policy as-is is a PITA. Industries like meat packing, construction, and landscaping have relatively low rates of detection, large numbers of illegal employees, and furthermore, what evidence is there to say the people working in these industries are engineers, doctors, or scientists?
For every immigrant like Elon Musk creating immense prosperity, how many low skilled immigrants do we have from the third world who are illiterate, do not speak English, are low skilled, and potentially diseased that are drains on the system? The best are already here legally.
We have had record immigration in this country since the law opened the floodgates in the 1960s and a non-enforcement reality of illegal immigration since then. Now, 1 out of every 6 adults in the US is foreign born. At the same time this happened, income inequality has increased, the middle class has been shrinking and America's overall economic standing in the world has been falling. We have been steadily falling in quality of life ratings and economic freedom ratings as well.
Schools are being overburdened with the costs of immigrant children, who of course require large subsidies for lunches, breakfasts and other things. Our social welfare system is also flooded with more immigrants and their needs.
Immigration may have had a more positive impact 100 years ago when there wasn't a large social welfare system and they had to produce to eat and to live. Now they don't. Massive immigration is good for the elite in this country but is bad for the beleaguered middle class.
Since the economy is FIRE, then yes, we need a servant class that is willing to work for slave wages. We need the immigrants. Or else natural born americans have to do the lowly jobs, but they are most certainly going to demand higher and higher wages. That will eat into the top 5-10% of top earners profits.
Since the economy is FIRE, then yes, we need a servant class that is willing to work for slave wages. We need the immigrants. Or else natural born americans have to do the lowly jobs, but they are most certainly going to demand higher and higher wages. That will eat into the top 5-10% of top earners profits.
One thing funny about this is that the difference between hiring an American and and immigrants is not significant enough for rich people who have way more means.yet it is often these effing people with millions and billions of dollars that calculates so delicately over $200 versus $300.
There is a problem with broad sweeping statements like "good for the economy".
They are deceiving and do not encompass all the people within the economy.
If you view the "economy" as GDP then yes the statement is true. If you view the "economy" as what is in the best interest for the average US citizen, then the statement is absolutely false.
The US has been going through a transformation since the 1970's in which the economy has been manipulated to benefit the wealthy at the benefit of the working class. It began with the trade agreements like NAFTA and continues with an immigration policy that undermines the working population.
The cost of raising the GDP and Wall St to its current levels has been the decimation of US industry, the largest wealth disparity since 1929, and the influx of 60 million illegal aliens which has applied enormous downward pressure on wages despite huge gains in individual worker productivity. To summarize, it has increased the GDP, it has been a windfall for both the wealthy and the government, but the working class Americans got screwed.
We have had record immigration in this country since the law opened the floodgates in the 1960s and a non-enforcement reality of illegal immigration since then. Now, 1 out of every 6 adults in the US is foreign born. At the same time this happened, income inequality has increased, the middle class has been shrinking and America's overall economic standing in the world has been falling. We have been steadily falling in quality of life ratings and economic freedom ratings as well.
Schools are being overburdened with the costs of immigrant children, who of course require large subsidies for lunches, breakfasts and other things. Our social welfare system is also flooded with more immigrants and their needs.
Immigration may have had a more positive impact 100 years ago when there wasn't a large social welfare system and they had to produce to eat and to live. Now they don't. Massive immigration is good for the elite in this country but is bad for the beleaguered middle class.
Investment in the future.
Second generation immigrants how perform the larger pool of native born.
Anyway, sounds like the problem is welfare and not immigration. Fixing the problem would make more sense than shooting the goose that lays the golden egg.
One thing funny about this is that the difference between hiring an American and and immigrants is not significant enough for rich people who have way more means.yet it is often these effing people with millions and billions of dollars that calculates so delicately over $200 versus $300.
That's why they have the money they do. Those are people that own and maybe run businesses. If you're not one that "calculates so delicately over $200 versus $300" multiplied by the thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or more transactions, you don't stay in business to become someone with millions and billions of dollars very often.
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