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Old 08-20-2015, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Sputnik Planitia
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Donald Trump proposes raise in minimum wage criteria for H1B visas to give American workers priority | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

I have always thought this was a GREAT idea. The H1b visa is to find talent worldwide that cannot be found in the US. If that is true then why are these people being paid lower than US workers? If these H1b workers are so special and rare then companies should be paying a premium for them...unless of course it has nothing to do with talent and it's just about cost, which infact goes against the very premise of the H1b visa.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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might as well make all companies that operated in the US pay US federal minimum wage regardless of where it was made
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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might as well make all companies that operated in the US pay US federal minimum wage regardless of where it was made
The easy way around that would be to contract out even more work to 3rd party manufacturers. That would only further weaken a company's effort for oversight over quality.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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The benefit for hiring H1Bs - even at "entry level" tech positions - is so huge that even at 80K-100K starting salaries the demand for H1Bs would not change. To really help the American tech worker, the minimum wage for H1Bs would have to ensure that only the best of the best are being brought in. Accordingly, an ideal minimum salary would be about equal to, say, starting salaries at big law firms - 140K or so.

However, the idea that H1B tech workers are being paid less than American workers should immediately raise an alarm. There are legions of counterexamples of American tech dudes starting at less (sometimes quite a bit less) than ~60K, the de facto "minimum wage" that H1Bs are already getting. This needs to be investigated.

Moreover, American workers might serve their own interests better to be suspicious that Trump is representing himself as a big-business type purporting to help them. In fact, if the salary floor is set too low, and if the salary floor is used as an excuse to open the floodgates to H1Bs, the typical American "entry-level" tech worker could be at a serious disadvantage in the job market.

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Old 08-20-2015, 09:52 AM
 
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Sounds like a terrible idea. Minimum wage, in general, is a terrible idea. That would guarantee even larger pace of off-shoring jobs.. Every american corporation knows that we have an Army of indian and chinese workers out there, if we can't hire them in the US, lets just hire them back home...

India's wages will rise at the cost of falling employment in the US, and they will thank Mr Trump for his brilliance.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:57 AM
 
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Why should the government tell me who I have to hire?

Is basically what we're talking about, just hiding it with the H1B.
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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Why should the government tell me who I have to hire?
You can hire any American you wish, however, the right to work in the United States is not a right extended automatically to non-citizens, nor should it be a right. We as a society make our laws that benefit our people to the maximum. We do not want to make laws to benefit a few at the very top so that they can get richer at the expense of society at large.

Important point to remember, our laws reflect (or should reflect) the collective will of the people of the United States, not the wish of a few corporations.

I support a law that bans any corporation for 10 years from access to an H1b if it is found that they hired an outsider that directly displaced an American worker. Companies are getting way too bold with this sort of stuff these days. Recently Southern California Edison not only laid off 400 workers, they then replaced them with Indians and asked the American worker to train the foreigner. I would classify this as 100% abuse of the H1b program.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/06/12/...r-allegations/
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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This seems like another Trump idea that won't pass constitutional muster. While companies can choose to pay legal immigrants less than American workers, I don't think the US government can mandate that companies pay an entire group of workers significantly more or less than other workers based solely on their status as citizens or immigrants.
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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You can hire any American you wish, however, the right to work in the United States is not a right extended automatically to non-citizens, nor should it be a right. We as a society make our laws that benefit our people to the maximum. We do not want to make laws to benefit a few at the very top so that they can get richer at the expense of society at large.

Important point to remember, our laws reflect (or should reflect) the collective will of the people of the United States, not the wish of a few corporations.

I support a law that bans any corporation for 10 years from access to an H1b if it is found that they hired an outsider that directly displaced an American worker. Companies are getting way too bold with this sort of stuff these days. Recently Southern California Edison not only laid off 400 workers, they then replaced them with Indians and asked the American worker to train the foreigner. I would classify this as 100% abuse of the H1b program.

Document: Feds investigating Southern California Edison contractors after allegations of work visa abuse | 89.3 KPCC
It's important to remember that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not "the collective will of the people of the United States", especially as espoused by a pandering politician promising every sort of goodie to his Right Wingnut constituency.
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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You can hire any American you wish, however, the right to work in the United States is not a right extended automatically to non-citizens, nor should it be a right. We as a society make our laws that benefit our people to the maximum. We do not want to make laws to benefit a few at the very top so that they can get richer at the expense of society at large.

Important point to remember, our laws reflect (or should reflect) the collective will of the people of the United States, not the wish of a few corporations.

I support a law that bans any corporation for 10 years from access to an H1b if it is found that they hired an outsider that directly displaced an American worker. Companies are getting way too bold with this sort of stuff these days. Recently Southern California Edison not only laid off 400 workers, they then replaced them with Indians and asked the American worker to train the foreigner. I would classify this as 100% abuse of the H1b program.

Document: Feds investigating Southern California Edison contractors after allegations of work visa abuse | 89.3 KPCC
What world do you live on?

Many of the laws in this country are there to support anyone but the majority. American's don't vote enough.
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