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Old 03-06-2017, 10:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post
Perhaps you can give us your definition of exploitation.
ex·ploi·ta·tion
ˌekˌsploiˈtāSH(ə)n/
noun

noun: exploitation; plural noun: exploitations
  1. 1.
    the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
    "the exploitation of migrant workers"
    synonyms:taking advantage, abuse, misuse, ill-treatment, unfair treatment, oppression "the exploitation of the poor"






2.
the action of making use of and benefiting from resources.
"the Bronze Age saw exploitation of gold deposits"
synonyms:utilization, use, making use of, making the most of, capitalization on; informalcashing in on
"the exploitation of mineral resources"



  • the fact of making use of a situation to gain unfair advantage

Seems this text book definition fits pretty well, employers are using the over supply of people (over population) to avoid paying a fair inflation adjusted wage. If you go back to the 1960's and adjust for inflation the average wage is FAR lower. That IS exploitation.


People are starting to answer back by attempting to vote in their own best interests and things like the tiny home movement, minimilist lifestyles etc. Once these things are fully caught on there will be blow back on employers when people no longer NEED a job and can afford to just hang out for long periods of time while looking for a place that will treat them right and offer them a seat at the proverbial table.


The key is having enough FU money and many millenials are leading a minimilist life style in order to build up that account.


Oh and btw when employers dont have a plethora of qualified people to sort though they cry WAY louder than the employees ... WAY louder. Its pathetic. They will petition the govt for H1B's, publish articles, have CEO's get on TV about it, its so trashy.

 
Old 03-07-2017, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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With as ruthless as companies and the economy is getting can we really blame young people for not leaving the family home? Should we be allowing our friends and family to being exposed to the ruthlessness of companies who fire/lay off at the drop of a hat leaving the person on the streets if they were not still living at home.


Maybe people should stay at home until they have a house car and education PAID FOR that way they are not a slave to a "good" job and the only onus they have are taxes utilities and food which can be paid working anywhere so they dont have to claw and fight for the extraordinarly low number of actual good paying jobs out there?
I want them home. Many things in live learned on one's own under brutal bosses/companies is useless.

Low and slow.

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Old 03-07-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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You are Landlord in Las Vegas.
Your point?

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Unfortunately our present system today...
Ah, yes, the everpresent "system". Sort of like "The Man." Favorite catch phrases of those who do not understand economics.

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...is designed to support Landlord Class
There is no such thing as a Landlord Class. There are people who own rental property, but no "Landlord Class." We do not have a caste system.



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... and Exploit others...
I think you mean, "people who have risked capital to acquire income producing assets and willingly rent them to willing tenants in a free market exchange."

There is no such thing as Exploitation. No one puts a gun to a tenant's head

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Why do you think we have interest rates at zero for 8 years? Why do you think interest rates were lowered to zero in the first place? It wasn't done to create economic growth, I tell you that much.
It was to prevent a worldwide total economic collapse.


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HuffPo? Really? HuffPo is mostly fake news for the benefit of people who like left leaning fake news.


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"There are more people in slavery today than at any time in human history.”
Fake.

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"Slavery is all around us, but we are too blind to see it. It is in our hands, yet we are too insensitive to touch it. The enslaved are next to us in the street, but we are too ignorant to walk alongside them. It must not be relegated to a footnote in history. It is a living reality in all our communities.”
Fake.

I even went on Craigslist to see if anyone is selling slaves. No one is. Can't find slaves for sale on Amazon or eBay either.

Slavery does not exist today in the USA.

Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirte...s_Constitution and get back to us.

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Old 03-07-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Fraud, for one. Also, physical slavery.
Please read Misrepresentation vs. Fraud: What's the Difference? on Fraud and closely related Misrepresentation.

Fraud is a crime, and one that can and should be prosecuted. It is not exploitation.

Physical slavery does not exist in the USA, and hasn't for a very long time.
 
Old 03-07-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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The so-called "Landlord Class" is non-existent. Sure, they may exist today, but unless they purchased those homes with cash or can afford to pay the mortgages in the event that their rentals are unoccupied, the banks will get their houses back.

30 years is a very long time. In fact, the so-called "Landlord Class" will be the ones that suffer the most because the banks will own them for the rest of their lives.
 
Old 03-07-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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I want them home. Many things in live learned on one's own under brutal bosses/companies is useless.

Low and slow.

S.
I agree being exposed to toxic environments where you have no hope of retaliation is toxic to your soul mind and body.
 
Old 03-07-2017, 07:41 PM
 
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There is no such thing as Exploitation. No one puts a gun to a tenant's head
As an extreme example, let's suppose a landlord found illegal drugs in a tenant's rented dwelling and took pictures and documented the situation. Then the landlord said the rent would quadruple the next year, but that if the tenant did not sign a new lease, the landlord would turn the tenant in to the authorities. How would you argue that that would not be exploitation?
 
Old 03-07-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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Your point?



Ah, yes, the everpresent "system". Sort of like "The Man." Favorite catch phrases of those who do not understand economics.



There is no such thing as a Landlord Class. There are people who own rental property, but no "Landlord Class." We do not have a caste system.





I think you mean, "people who have risked capital to acquire income producing assets and willingly rent them to willing tenants in a free market exchange."

There is no such thing as Exploitation. No one puts a gun to a tenant's head



It was to prevent a worldwide total economic collapse.




HuffPo? Really? HuffPo is mostly fake news for the benefit of people who like left leaning fake news.




Fake.



Fake.

I even went on Craigslist to see if anyone is selling slaves. No one is. Can't find slaves for sale on Amazon or eBay either.

Slavery does not exist today in the USA.

Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirte...s_Constitution and get back to us.


You mean colapse of the ownership class, labor would have increased.
 
Old 03-07-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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As an extreme example, let's suppose a landlord found illegal drugs in a tenant's rented dwelling and took pictures and documented the situation. Then the landlord said the rent would quadruple the next year, but that if the tenant did not sign a new lease, the landlord would turn the tenant in to the authorities. How would you argue that that would not be exploitation?
Dont go down that road with the poster, the ownership class know exactly what they are doing, they dont need a gun they can use hunger and the elements to compelle you because buisness has been able to widdle away at the teeth of anti trust thus reducing choice of the employee leaving the employee to pick from the paltry options in the oligarcy/monopoly market or go hungry/loose house/heat/etc.


There does not need to be drugs involved for there to be exploitation. The only way out is to leave the country to somewhere that has strong labor laws like France but its hard to get in else where, REAL hard.


In a healthy market an employee should not have to tolerate even the slightest indignation from a boss because the boss knows they can have a new job with the same pay that afternoon (not a year and a half later or having to move across the country). Anything short of that dynamic is exploitation and a lack of govt intervention to bust up companies to comply with anti trust.


Choice puts bosses sociopathy in check, even if they want to slap a table or scream they wont because they know that people can leave that after noon without worrying about their kids, mortgage, food etc.


Employees are the USA, employers are a minority poputation that are simply facilitators.


The issue - much of america is becoming like this

Instead of this

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Old 03-13-2017, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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As an extreme example, let's suppose a landlord found illegal drugs in a tenant's rented dwelling and took pictures and documented the situation. Then the landlord said the rent would quadruple the next year, but that if the tenant did not sign a new lease, the landlord would turn the tenant in to the authorities. How would you argue that that would not be exploitation?
That hypothetical sounds like Extortion. The landlord would be committing a crime and should be prosecuted.

All fifty states have varying laws regarding extortion, with most states classifying it as a felony. Some states charge the crime as a theft offense, while others call it “attempted extortion,” “extortion in the first degree,” or “extortion in the second degree."

A crime? Yes.
Extortion? Yes.
A felony? Probably.

Exploitation? Nope.
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