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I agree with many of your points. However, if it weren't for the Tea Party, we would have already passed a deal that Obama and Boehner were working on resulting in 4-5 trillion in cuts with a mixture of spending cuts on everything including entitlement programs and an increase in tax revenue. However, Boehner walked out because he knows the junior tea baggers would not support it. They have shown NO compromise. They are the only ones not willing to compromise. Obama has said he is willing to cut entitlement programs against the wishes of many Democrats, while Boenher was showing willingness to increase tax revenues by closing loop holes. Even the guy who had Republicans sign the no tax pledge, said if they allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire, he would not consider them raising taxes, nor would it break their pledge.
Actually I doubt that the debt and deficit would even be a priority without the Tea Party's impact on this past election. The message went out loud and strong that Americans want to stop going further and further into debt. When was the last time that anyone took the matter seriously up to now? Even your accidental surplus under Clinton, they elected to spend it rather than pay down the debt.
The Tea Party lack clarity and specifics in its desired direction but they do have the rough idea of what they want. IMHO, it's just a recreation of the Libertarian Party -- but without all the years of figuring out how "Ending Big Government" would actually work. For example, Libertarians are for opening up the border more, pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq ASAP and legalizing drugs because these are giant spending sink-holes that don't appear to be working very well. The Tea Party wants to keep "The Great Wall of the USA", the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. They haven't yet realized that these are perfect examples of Big Government. But the Libertarian Party is seldom thought of as much more than a joke by most Americans. The Tea Party is the one that got HUGE overnight. So inexperienced though they might be, they are the ones with the political clout.
The Tea Baggers are ruining all hopes of a Republican President in 2012.
They won't even compromise within their own party yet alone Democrats. They are willing to let our country go to hell in order to make a point. I was contemplating voting for Romney, but this entire mess has made me 100% sure, Obama 2012. I've already ordered my bumper sticker .
So you're saying that the other party sucks so bad, that that is the only way, or reason that Obama can win? Good to know!
Not that he's done anything great, but that the other guy is that horrible.Nothing to be proud of, really.
The Tea Baggers are ruining all hopes of a Republican President in 2012.
They won't even compromise within their own party yet alone Democrats. They are willing to let our country go to hell in order to make a point. I was contemplating voting for Romney, but this entire mess has made me 100% sure, Obama 2012. I've already ordered my bumper sticker .
I keep saying this. In 2010, the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and The White House. They didn't pass a budget and they didn't address the debt limit. All we have gotten from Obama this year is a budget that nobody voted for. That's right ZERO Democrats voted for for the President's budget and we also got a lot of speeches, meetings and conferences on raising the debt limit. That's what you do when you have no executive experience. You talk and form committees so the president did that, too. He formed the Debt Commission Committee (Bowles/Simpson) and what did he do WHEN HIS OWN COMMITTEE gave him recommendations? He ignored them. Meanwhile, the GOP House came up with 3 different plans to address the debt limit: Paul Ryan's, Cut, Cap and Balance and Boehner's.
Personally, I like Cut, Cap and Balance because I'm not for any temporary fix and I want a balanced budget amendment. But did the President produce his own plan? No, he did not. All he did was criticize.
So who is really letting the country go to Hell? Who spent money since he's been in office like a drunken sailor? Why did anyone think a person who never managed anything before he became President, should be handed the top job in the country?
"Using numbers from the U.S. Treasury, we see that the debt during Bush’s eight years in office increased from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion, or $4.9 trillion over eight years. That’s bad; that’s basically $610 billion per year. But in the less than three years Obama has been in office, the debt has increased from $10.6 trillion to $14.2 trillion, a $3.6 trillion increase in about 27 months. In other words, Obama is increasing the debt by $1.6 trillion per year, three times as fast as Bush."
Agree with you Laura C on much of that, the only way that any outcome is a good outcome here is if a Balanced Budget Amendment is put in place. If that has to be implemented over a 5 year period or something like that, so be it. But without a Balanced Budget Amendment, the idiots from both parties will continue to sell the USA down the river but putting us further and further into debt.
Only in times of the most extreme of national crisis should we EVER deficit spend. In other words, the USA getting invaded by an overwhelming hostile force or something along those lines.
I'm still blown away that any party can control both houses of Congress and the Presidential office and completely fail to pass a budget. How on earth does that happen??
Having said that, the Republicans are almost as worthless as that.
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The Tea Baggers are ruining all hopes of a Republican President in 2012.
They won't even compromise within their own party yet alone Democrats. They are willing to let our country go to hell in order to make a point. I was contemplating voting for Romney, but this entire mess has made me 100% sure, Obama 2012. I've already ordered my bumper sticker .
Whew!
Thank Goodness, the last thing we need for POTUS is Obama light.
The Tea Baggers are ruining all hopes of a Republican President in 2012.
They won't even compromise within their own party yet alone Democrats. They are willing to let our country go to hell in order to make a point. I was contemplating voting for Romney, but this entire mess has made me 100% sure, Obama 2012. I've already ordered my bumper sticker .
Now here is a person who is among the most enlightened. The GOP obviously has REGRESSED since the horrific Bush years. The existence of the tea party is a manifestation of this decline. So is the presence of Boehner, Cantor, Palin, Paul Ryan, Bachmann, Limbaugh, Scott Walker, and so forth.
President Obama easily takes the second term. Pubs continue to blindly stagger backwards as the party of Dubya, proving themselves utterly worthless and ineffective with that tea party contingent, and consistently embarrassing themselves.
The only way for the GOP to win is to close more post Offices ( a la Wisconsin) so we cant get any picture ID's ....the GOP is a joke and a disgrace...
Now here is a person who is among the most enlightened. The GOP obviously has REGRESSED since the horrific Bush years. The existence of the tea party is a manifestation of this decline. So is the presence of Boehner, Cantor, Palin, Paul Ryan, Bachmann, Limbaugh, Scott Walker, and so forth.
President Obama easily takes the second term. Pubs continue to blindly stagger backwards as the party of Dubya, proving themselves utterly worthless and ineffective with that tea party contingent, and consistently embarrassing themselves.
People are getting it.
The Progressive element is the entire problem.
The line in the sand has been drawn, by those citizens that elected those standing their ground. For once, a politician is doing what they said they would to get elected! Historical!
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The Tea Baggers are ruining all hopes of a Republican President in 2012.
They won't even compromise within their own party yet alone Democrats. They are willing to let our country go to hell in order to make a point. I was contemplating voting for Romney, but this entire mess has made me 100% sure, Obama 2012. I've already ordered my bumper sticker .
What exactly do you see as different between Romney and Obama?
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Excellent post
