Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-25-2011, 04:21 PM
 
5,113 posts, read 5,973,187 times
Reputation: 1748

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
whogo, Comparing any in the field to RR is ignorant at best. MR is the most likely to have any shot at BO; none of the others will fare as well as JM 2008, and RR would clean BO's clock in '12, if he were alive and at a reasonable age.

The Newtster is having his 15 minutes of fame, just like sure bets MB, R(I)P, and the Pizza Man previously.
Romney will get eaten alive when they turn the dog's loose on him ...


The Real Romney? - YouTube
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-25-2011, 04:26 PM
 
Location: NJ
18,665 posts, read 19,972,963 times
Reputation: 7315
MR is beating BO in NH by 10.. a state Obama won in 2008. MR with a mod, like Ohio gov, would take most swing states, and hold the red ones..a path to 270. W/O swing states, its 2008 all over again for the GOP. Swing state death.

BO will run a negative campaign, but quite frankly, Newt has far more baggage to expose than MR. Plus Newt would run into BO's personal popularity rating (avg above 20 points above performance polls), due to Newt's acerbic, elitist personality. Newt need only look in the mirror to see why a career looking so promising in 1994 never took off. He is his own worst enemy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 04:39 PM
 
5,113 posts, read 5,973,187 times
Reputation: 1748
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
MR is beating BO in NH by 10.. a state Obama won in 2008. MR with a mod, like Ohio gov, would take most swing states, and hold the red ones..a path to 270. W/O swing states, its 2008 all over again for the GOP. Swing state death.

BO will run a negative campaign, but quite frankly, Newt has far more baggage to expose than MR. Plus Newt would run into BO's personal popularity rating (avg above 20 points above performance polls), due to Newt's acerbic, elitist personality. Newt need only look in the mirror to see why a career looking so promising in 1994 never took off. He is his own worst enemy.
No, Mitt is not a moderate. Mitt will be whatever he needs to be to get elected. His record once in office shows he governs as a liberal. Maybe that's why you and the liberals like him so much.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
18,665 posts, read 19,972,963 times
Reputation: 7315
Mitt is a moderate, Don9, you are an extremist. The term moderate is not party sensitive, it means the middle of America, not the middle of either base. It is the vast land where BO won independents by 8 by in 2008, and oh the election he won by 7.4 (notice how close those numbers are). That means the two bases negated each other, and as always moderate independents chose the president. The party that most pleases them wins their votes. They are loyal to neither, as we all should be loyal to neither. They must EARN their support each election.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: anywhere
1,731 posts, read 4,684,083 times
Reputation: 1889
Quote:
Originally Posted by dixiegirl7 View Post
You are too smart, Bob, therefore you have to be called a liberal Obama supporter by the 'true conservatives"....lol. You see if we don't jump on their bandwagon, that by the way has three broken wheels, we are suddenly liberals.
I think the conservatives forget that they are not the only members of the Republican Party.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 05:37 PM
 
5,113 posts, read 5,973,187 times
Reputation: 1748
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
Mitt is a moderate, Don9, you are an extremist. The term moderate is not party sensitive, it means the middle of America, not the middle of either base. It is the vast land where BO won independents by 8 by in 2008, and oh the election he won by 7.4 (notice how close those numbers are). That means the two bases negated each other, and as always moderate independents chose the president. The party that most pleases them wins their votes. They are loyal to neither, as we all should be loyal to neither. They must EARN their support each election.
Extremist ... really ... what do you base that on? Becasue I won't support Mitt over Newt? Mitt can't even keep his story straight. At the last debate Mitt jumped on Newt for saying illegals that have been here for a quarter century should not be automatically rounded up and deported. Then later in the debate Mitt flipped and agreed with Newt on that one point. Now today ... he flipped back again and claims Newt is supporting amnesty ... which is not true and Newt even made that clear in the debate.

Mitt was told that this was a good political argument against Newt so he is going with it to attack Newt.

But let me ask you ... a Mexican family that has been here illegally for a quarter century .. they have jobs ...they stayed out of trouble ... they have been good neighbors ... they have children and grandchildren in the neighborhood ... are you saying you support Mitt in having ICE pull up to their house of 25 years and throwing them into the van cuffed like criminals and dropping them off at the Mexican border with none of their possessions? Is that what you and moderates want?

See .... I'm an extremist and actually feel that would be a bad thing. I actually do have compassion for people in situations like this. These people were here for ~25 years and "allowed" by our government to live and raise their kids. They should be considered a special case and given a chance to become citizens.

But you see ... Mitt probably feels the same way ... matter of fact he probably has a more liberal perspective on this ... but he will not state his true position before election day ... unlike Newt who will be honest and real. Mitt is not honest and he is not real.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 05:49 PM
 
8,754 posts, read 10,170,036 times
Reputation: 1434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don9 View Post
I'm a Reagan conservative and proudly served under him.

Mitt is no conservative. All you have to do is look at his history and what he says today. People who want him elected are also not conservatives or misguided conservatives.

Why do you think Mitt is not getting demonized by the left like they have done with anyone who comes close to Mitt?

You need to look around and read something instead of just listening to Rush and watching Fox News. Who do you think the Obama campaign is already targeting with negative ads? It sure ain't Newtie. They don't care about Newt or Cain or Perry or whoever the flavor of the week is. They are targeting Mitt Romney because they are actually threatened by him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 05:51 PM
 
8,754 posts, read 10,170,036 times
Reputation: 1434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathleen1971 View Post
I think the conservatives forget that they are not the only members of the Republican Party.

They be all that's left in the party after this election. I don't even consider them conservatives. They are just extremist nutcases.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 05:54 PM
 
8,754 posts, read 10,170,036 times
Reputation: 1434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don9 View Post
No, Mitt is not a moderate. Mitt will be whatever he needs to be to get elected. His record once in office shows he governs as a liberal. Maybe that's why you and the liberals like him so much.


His record shows anything but that. He was a very conservative governor in a very nonconservative state. He got Massachusetts out of debt and they had a suplus in about 3 years. He vetoed over 800 bills while he was governor. He was tough on illegal immigration. I am not sure where you see any of that as being liberal as a governor.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-25-2011, 05:58 PM
 
8,754 posts, read 10,170,036 times
Reputation: 1434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don9 View Post
Extremist ... really ... what do you base that on? Becasue I won't support Mitt over Newt? Mitt can't even keep his story straight. At the last debate Mitt jumped on Newt for saying illegals that have been here for a quarter century should not be automatically rounded up and deported. Then later in the debate Mitt flipped and agreed with Newt on that one point. Now today ... he flipped back again and claims Newt is supporting amnesty ... which is not true and Newt even made that clear in the debate.

Mitt was told that this was a good political argument against Newt so he is going with it to attack Newt.

But let me ask you ... a Mexican family that has been here illegally for a quarter century .. they have jobs ...they stayed out of trouble ... they have been good neighbors ... they have children and grandchildren in the neighborhood ... are you saying you support Mitt in having ICE pull up to their house of 25 years and throwing them into the van cuffed like criminals and dropping them off at the Mexican border with none of their possessions? Is that what you and moderates want?

See .... I'm an extremist and actually feel that would be a bad thing. I actually do have compassion for people in situations like this. These people were here for ~25 years and "allowed" by our government to live and raise their kids. They should be considered a special case and given a chance to become citizens.

But you see ... Mitt probably feels the same way ... matter of fact he probably has a more liberal perspective on this ... but he will not state his true position before election day ... unlike Newt who will be honest and real. Mitt is not honest and he is not real.

You need to quit making things up to suit your story. Mitt Romny has never been for amnesty. He has always taken firm stands on illegal immigration. He vetoed a bill to allow illegals a driver's license when he was governor. He would not pass a bill to allow illegals instate tuition. He was not in support of the 'Dream Act'. His has a history of being firm on illegal immigration overall. You might want to study up on the candidates if you are going to bring up things about them that aren't facts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:53 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top