Did Wisconsin's Walker Really Say This?

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

I didn't know that Kaukauna fired all their teachers. One way to do it, I suppose.

They didn't, I am not sure what you are making up?

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by skoro

The public unions must exist because there's a market for what they offer. Let the market decide rather than having an oppressive state government try to legislate them out of existence.

Fine, but does the Public Union have the right to use Collective Bargaining to:

1) Create a Health Insurance Provider that the Public Union owns.

2) Make a Monopoly for the Health Insurance Provider that the Public Union owns as the collective bargaining on benefits gives them this ability.

3) Overcharge ~30% above fair market value for the services provided by the Union owned health insurance provider.

4) Feed much of the excess profits to Democrats who look the other way on the process.

5) Charge above fair market value when schools struggle with a budget so the net result is:
A) less teacher pay
B) more teachers laid off
C) less teachers hired
D) less technology in the classroom
E) less newer textbooks
F) more leaky roofs
G) more pay to play sports

but hey...at least the Democrats, PACs and Union Bosses are getting theirs!

[TempesT68]

Originally Posted by alphamale

In that case, the Koch brothers are some of my favorites.

With that mindset, someone would have to be either an elitist 1% that doesn't give a damn about anyone but themselves and other 1% goons, or a very deranged individual that is a middle or lower middle class person that supports the destruction of themselves.
Many on the right enjoy being on their knees and just obeying what their right wing masters tell them, but the rest of the american people would rather have freedom and think for themselves

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by TempesT68

With that mindset, someone would have to be either an elitist 1% that doesn't give a damn about anyone but themselves and other 1% goons, or a very deranged individual that is a middle or lower middle class person that supports the destruction of themselves.
Many on the right enjoy being on their knees and just obeying what their right wing masters tell them, but the rest of the american people would rather have freedom and think for themselves

The Union Leadership has become elite 1%ers. The NJ Teacher's Union boss made over $550,000 last year and has the audacity to tell poor people who want school of choice that 'life isn't fair.'

The Union overcharges the school district/government/tax payers on health insurance that they own, which hurts the students, teachers, and community. And then there is you...obeying the Democrats and not actually thinking on the issue. Just obey the 1% Union Leaders.

[skoro]

Originally Posted by earthlyfather

When is progressive - as in financial reform - oppressive? Why, in the mind of a progressive. Which in reality is actually regressive.

Toot sweet!

Right wing "conservatives" claim they want the government out of their lives. But with the same breath they clamor for the government to intrude on others' lives.

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by TempesT68

You've got the right wing propaganda down pat, fox must be proud Otherwise the teachers union doesn't own some kind of monopoly that is charging taxpayers some exorbitant fees. They are not making 6 figure salaries right out of grad school or have rolls royce/Dick Cheney healthcare plans that will go as far as turning you into a robot to keep you alive. The teachers of Wisconsin make about 27k a year to start, after years of fighting and crawling their way up the ladder, they can make it to national average wages at best.
The teachers union's collective bargaining is their only say in negotiating the terms of their salaries and benefits. What walker and the other far right goons want to do is destroy them, force them into slave labor conditions for next to no pay or benefits, while giving their cronies dynamite government positions all paid for by the taxpayer (like Walker did giving one of his major campaign donor's sons a high paying taxpayer funded job he was nowhere near qualified for.)

Take off your partisan blinders. It's not propaganda at all, it's the truth. They were exposed. Just as Walker was exposed for the no bid contracts he was going to offer on utilities. Coincidence the Kochs are involved in utilities, naaaaaw.
force them into slave labor??? pffft drama queen

[earthlyfather]

Ahhh, but you anti-Walkerites are missing the entire point, getting digressive, deflective, and not actually addressing the point. What Walker has done, or Cuomo and the Dems in NY, or Christie and the Dems in NJ, or the Rhode Island Dems have done, may differ somewhat from one another. But, they are all dealing with unsustainable, unsupportable program costs, that were foolishly over-promised, and underfunded, by previous administrations, largely, but not exclusively Democratic.

All are reforming, curbing public union pension and healthcare benefits, which are outsized compared to society as a whole.

This is no different than when progressives attacked Congressman Ryan's Medicare proposal in 2011. His proposal was similar to earlier bi-partisan proposals, like the Rivlin-Domenici and Simpson-Bowles proposals.

Now, take the fingers out of your ears, stick your tongues back in your mouths, and stop the silly and immature nah, nah, nah, when you hear of proposals or actions from another quarter; unless you can substantively counter the argument.