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Old 08-25-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Incomes have dropped this far in spite of the stimulus that propped up government worker's salaries for a year and put us in a great deal more debt.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Gee, I wonder why incomes dropped? No I don't wonder, I know:

Most laid-off US workers take pay cuts in new jobs
With a better leader at the helm we wouldn't have the amount of layoffs that Obama has had.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Incomes have dropped this far in spite of the stimulus that propped up government worker's salaries for a year and put us in a great deal more debt.
Your statement is undercut by the following facts:
-- federals workers got a pay freeze two years ago
-- salaries are a very small part of the federal budget and even if federal workers got a pay increase, which they didn't, it would be an insignificant part of additional debt
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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This is a good time to ask.....


If Obama isn't responsible for the economy under his watch, then how can you claim Bush is responsible during his watch?

How does that work?
Obama is responsible for what he can actually have control over. Obama had no control over entering office at a time when the economy literally lost trillions of dollars of wealth. I didn't even mention Bush mainly because I also know that Bush wasn't totally responsible for the economic collapse. It was a whole host of issues that finally exploded. Obama just got left with the pieces and had to try and put it all back together again.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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With a better leader at the helm we wouldn't have the amount of layoffs that Obama has had.
What would this mystical leader had done differently?
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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Gee, I wonder why incomes dropped? No I don't wonder, I know:

Most laid-off US workers take pay cuts in new jobs

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economic recovery hasn't felt much like one even for people who managed to find new jobs after being laid off. Most of them have had to settle for less pay.
Only 56 percent of Americans laid off from January 2009 through December 2011 had found jobs by the start of this year, the Labor Department said Friday. More than half of them took jobs with lower pay. One-third took pay cuts of 20 percent or more.
The figures would be even lower if people who could find only part-time jobs were included in the total.

So much for Obama's promise to fix the economy by his third year in office and get unemployment down to 5.2% if we passed his Stimulus, eh?
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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Your statement is undercut by the following facts:
-- federals workers got a pay freeze two years ago
-- salaries are a very small part of the federal budget and even if federal workers got a pay increase, which they didn't, it would be an insignificant part of additional debt

There are a LOT more than just FEDERAL government workers.

Money went to the States to prop-up their government workers who didn't get any pay freezes.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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What would this mystical leader had done differently?
Just about EVERYTHING.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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Incomes have dropped this far in spite of the stimulus that propped up government worker's salaries for a year and put us in a great deal more debt.
Hey, I just noticed you live in Cape Coral. How do you like living there if you don't mind me asking?
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Obama is responsible for what he can actually have control over. Obama had no control over entering office at a time when the economy literally lost trillions of dollars of wealth. I didn't even mention Bush mainly because I also know that Bush wasn't totally responsible for the economic collapse. It was a whole host of issues that finally exploded. Obama just got left with the pieces and had to try and put it all back together again.

No....you didn't mention Bush, you just made the lame excuse that Obama inherited a bad economy.

Obama has blamed Bush, hurricanes, earth quakes, Europe, ATM Machines, and a Tsunami for the economy......everything EXCEPT his own policies.
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