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Old 09-14-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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He's not a moderate in this climate of partisanship, but historically he is. Based on objective ideology of Democrats & Republicans he is. Even compared to other democracies, he's a moderate. I'm having a hard time even coming up w/ something he's pushed through that isn't either a wholesale Moderate Republican idea, or a compromise on Democrat idea.

Healthcare reform? A Moderate Republican idea and implemented on a state-level by a Moderate Republican.
Dream Act? A Republican idea
Bailouts? A historically Republican idea (look at the history of bailouts and you'll see most of them happened under a Republican administration.)
Tax cut extensions? A compromise on Democrat position.
Financial regulation? Simpson-Bowles? Even the bailout itself was a compromise of a Democrat idea.
This is exactly why he comes off looking like such a phony. Because this iteration of Romney IS completely phony. I get that in today's GOP that's the only shot a moderate has, but it's still astounding to me that it seems there was never a plan for what to do on the other side of the primaries. How could he possibly continue to support a far right agenda that is not palatable to mainstream America while at the same time earning the votes of moderates and independents? The lesson here is if you can't run on who you are, then maybe you shouldn't be running.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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This is exactly why he comes off looking like such a phony. Because this iteration of Romney IS completely phony. I get that in today's GOP that's the only shot a moderate has, but it's still astounding to me that it seems there was never a plan for what to do on the other side of the primaries. How could he possibly continue to support a far right agenda that is not palatable to mainstream America while at the same time earning the votes of moderates and independents? The lesson here is if you can't run on who you are, then maybe you shouldn't be running.
Oh my, what a concept! I was reading a story the other day that people who have known him at various points in his life are in disbelief over the words and ideas coming from his mouth in this campaign. They say he has always been on the liberal side of the ledger and the things he is doing and saying to get elected are completely out of character. I think that Romney believes that he is the man of the hour, a modern day Reagan, a messiah of the times. He is certain that he can set the country on a new course toward prosperity and he is willing to stoop as low as he needs and to lie and deceive as much as necessary to get himself in the position to do that.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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Do I think the Romney campaign is mismanaged? Yes. I also think Romney is in a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation. I've come to the opinion that the reason there is no clear message coming out of the campaign is because they can't develop one--they're trying to appeal to the bat poop crazy end of the base at the same time that they have to get support from more moderate R's and independents. Because they're going to upset someone in the base no matter what they say, I think their strategy is to just avoid locking in on anything and instead going the "anyone but Obama" route.

The problem is that those kinds of attacks worked even two years ago when we were still in Kenyan/Marxist/socialist communist mode, but things have changed--people want answers now, and most people no longer believe those attacks to be true. The birthers are treated with disgust now vs. having a legit point of view. Romney is smart enough to avoid the birther track, but he's also faced with the situation that people are trying to COMPARE him with Obama this time vs. just accepting an attack on the economy. He doesn't have a policy position to compare because he CAN'T create one for the base, and the campaign hasn't been able to adapt, so he's in trouble.
I agree with this, though I don't think the "I hate Obama" strategy was ever going to work. You have to mix it in with a clear, hopeful vision for the future or people walk away. Presidential elections never work that way.

I mean you never know, he could still win, but of he does it will be by the skin of his teeth. The thing is when you are running against a president presiding over an unhealthy economy AND who has low approval ratings, it shouldn't be close at all.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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This is exactly why he comes off looking like such a phony. Because this iteration of Romney IS completely phony. I get that in today's GOP that's the only shot a moderate has, but it's still astounding to me that it seems there was never a plan for what to do on the other side of the primaries. How could he possibly continue to support a far right agenda that is not palatable to mainstream America while at the same time earning the votes of moderates and independents? The lesson here is if you can't run on who you are, then maybe you shouldn't be running.
This is so true. And this is what the entire GOP is doing too, sabotaging an administration that's more in line w/ them then they want to let on.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Interesting opinions about horribly run Romney campaign

The fact is that Romney's simply a weakling. But he was chosen from a field of even weaker candidates. This just isn't a Republican year.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It's almost as if the GOP WANTS to lose this election.

Are they really that incompetent?
It's not the GOP. It's Romney.

If the guy was a boxer, he would be punch drunk, lead footed and have cauliflower ears and a glass chin. The guy can't help himself. He staggers out and goes one more round, but he was all punched out before the race even started.
Anybody But Obama is working about as well as Anybody But Bush worked in 2004 for the Democrats.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Also...the Romney campaign is ran or designed, as if 'Everyone is doing bad and is miserable'....

That's one of his campaigns biggest mistakes...is to assume everyone is in economic armageddon...

For instance...in Ohio...they have like 7% unemployment...so that means 93% of folks are employed and doing well...

Yet Romneys message is totally geared towards the 7%...and that's where he looses people...

(When u keep telling people who are doing 'good' that they're really doing 'bad'...it's a turn off)

He should ask himself...

'If the economy were doing well, and people happy, why would they want to vote for me?'.....

He should ask himself...

'How can I persuade the 93%, who are employed and prospering, to vote for me?'

Such a question would totally change the emphasize of his campaign, by going after the positive, it would make his message more positive, and make him appear much more positive...

By his campaign focusing on the negative 8-6% unemployed all the time...it has turned his message sour...
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:31 AM
 
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I have posted about how incompetent I think the Romney campaign is before.

These are some very well-written pieces IMO. I'm not saying I agree with every little thing in them, but I agree with the gist of them.

Romney Adrift - NationalJournal.com

Can Mitt Romney Avert Defeat in November?

The 'National Journal' ...please? Every campaign has some problems, but I do not think Mitt Romney's campaign has been run horribly in any way. I actually think it has been run fairly brilliantly. I think you underestimate just exactly what they are running against. I would dare say most other campaign staffs would have had far bigger problems. Running against the corrupt Chicago-style political machine is not child's play and while everyone likes to side seat drive it seems, I would dare say they wouldn't have done it any better.

In comparing McCain's campaign to Mitt's this time...there is no comparison in competence.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It's not the GOP. It's Romney.

If the guy was a boxer, he would be punch drunk, lead footed and have cauliflower ears and a glass chin. The guy can't help himself. He staggers out and goes one more round, but he was all punched out before the race even started.
Anybody But Obama is working about as well as Anybody But Bush worked in 2004 for the Democrats.
The conservative narrative is that Romney is the problem. No, the ideas of the party are the problem.

Romney got overwhelmingly the most votes in the GOP primaries. Why should anyone think that another candidate would have done better in the general election?

The problem is that to run in the GOP one needs to believe in certain ideas, like the government is always the problem, never a solution; cutting taxes on the rich and cutting programs for the disadvantaged; never raise taxes; must be anti-abortion and anti-science; against the concept of a minimum wage; and hostile to any regulation, no matter how sensible.

When the party tacks so far to the right, don't be surprised at the result -- losing a majority of voters.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Sure he did. He had a vision of hope and change. Remember? He proposed to correct decades of policy on a variety of fronts.

What's Romney's vision? What does he want to accomplish? What's his overall goal?
That's a solid plan? Visions of hopey changey? That Yes We Can crap? A plan for the most powerful man in the world?

Those are mere slogans. Without meaning. Empty, just like his head and his suit. That's pathetic.

The End.
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