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Old 11-05-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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Perhaps - I thought it was simply a confusion between the word "liberal" and the word "libertarian".
Hardly.

Sarvis is running on the libertarian ticket because he's a social liberal. And the libertarian position on social issues is often the same as the liberal position on social issues. The bundler from Texas shares these social liberal positions, and so is helping fund Sarvis. The article/blog from the American Thinker is arguing that since the bundler from Texas has also helped finance Obama, that Sarvis isn't a true libertarian. The National Review is also suggesting that Sarvis isn't a true libertarian. In both cases, a right-leaning publication is trying to make the case to right-leaning Virginia voters that Sarvis isn't a true libertarian, so they should cast their right-leaning votes to Cuccinelli.

Sarvis is actually taking more left-leaning votes from the Democrats than right-leaning votes from the Republicans. The fact that he is taking any right-leaning votes really has little to do with the libertarian label, and more to do with the fact that many Republicans actually do follow libertarian precepts on social issues. While conservative Republicans label such Republicans as RINO's, the fact is that conservative Republicans continue to isolate themselves from mainstream America, when they should be embracing the more moderate Republicans, and the more moderate Republicans' stance on social issues. Rejecting part of your party is an unreasonable strategy to take when you want to win elections.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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In all the polling data, Sarvis' voters second choice is McAullife, not Ken "Sharia Law" Cucenelli.

So not only is Sarvis hurting McAullife, it also confirms what many people have known all along: TRUE libertarians are liberal, not conservative.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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"It has been revealed that the libertarian candidate for governor in Virginia, who is siphoning votes away from Ken Cuccinelli, was funded by an Obama campaign bundler. Meredith Jessup of the Blaze reports:
A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot - a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race."


"Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC's major benefactor. He's also a top bundler for President Barack Obama. This revelation comes as Virginia voters head to the polls Tuesday in an election where some observers say the third-party gubernatorial candidatecould be a spoiler for Republican Ken Cuccinelli."


Read more: Blog: Libertarian con in Virginia governor's race revealed
The decline of the Right- from pre-emptive war, to pre-emptive sniveling.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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"My guy is gonna lose! I better start lining up my post-loss rationalizations! And what better petulant excuse than to blame it on the insidious machinations of that nefarious Marxist Kenyan usurper?"

On a side note, ever notice how the likelihood of a poster spewing complete nonsense goes up exponentially when that poster chooses a screen-name in which he brags about how level-headed, reasonable, or... 'no nonsense' he is?
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Did you read the story? Must not have.

Here is the part you neglected to read, or just ignored in your reply, hoping that others would simply take your word.

"Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC's major benefactor. He's also a top bundler for President Barack Obama. This revelation comes as Virginia voters head to the polls Tuesday in an election where some observers say the third-party gubernatorial candidatecould be a spoiler for Republican Ken Cuccinelli."

Read more: Blog: Libertarian con in Virginia governor's race revealed

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that a libertarian could support the President.
That being said, I suppose that the real point of this thread is that you think, based on this information, that the libertarian candidate is a plant.
Without knowing anything about his history, etc. I am not finding this information compelling evidence of that possibility particularly since the president is no longer running for any office.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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Exclusive: Libertarian PAC Admits 'We Probably Wouldn't Have Spent $11,000 on Sarvis' Without Democratic Donor

So democrats knew the democrat couldn't win without helping the libertarian screw the republican...great...more proof democrats and libertarians are in the same boat...politics as usual.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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Big Business groups routinely donate money to both major parties all the time. So do other special interests. Their motives aren't always clean and pure either. Welcome to the big leagues.
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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Exclusive: Libertarian PAC Admits 'We Probably Wouldn't Have Spent $11,000 on Sarvis' Without Democratic Donor

So democrats knew the democrat couldn't win without helping the libertarian screw the republican...great...more proof democrats and libertarians are in the same boat...politics as usual.
It's unfortunate for you that the facts clearly show that Sarvis is taking more Democrat votes than Republican votes.

The Libertarians aren't running to spoil the race, they are running to legitimize a third party in Virginia.
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Exclusive: Libertarian PAC Admits 'We Probably Wouldn't Have Spent $11,000 on Sarvis' Without Democratic Donor

So democrats knew the democrat couldn't win without helping the libertarian screw the republican...great...more proof democrats and libertarians are in the same boat...politics as usual.
The Libertarian is a spoiler, for sure, but it all depends on what the voters think of the Libertarian party. The conservative swing to the party is fairly recent. For a long time, the Libertarians were mostly disaffected Democrats.

The party's hands-off stance on a lot of things is what makes the party what it is. You seem to think it has a conservative bent, while others here think it has a liberal bent. It has both at the same time.

Using Breitbart as a reference is always chancy. That site is pretty screwy, and often posts stuff that's unsubstantiated. Pretty much like Breitbart himself when he was alive. He was caught playing fast and loose with much of what he posted.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:56 PM
 
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It's unfortunate for you that the facts clearly show that Sarvis is taking more Democrat votes than Republican votes.
True, as indicated by exit polls.

Logical because voters who are true Libertarians disagreed vehemently with Cuccinelli's opposition to gay rights and abortion.

Also, it's likely a sizable % of those who voted for Sarvis did so strictly as a protest and wouldn't have voted for either Cuccinelli or McAuliffe.
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