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Old 11-14-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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I would prefer Warren politically but Hillary will be the most formidable candidate and, after all, beating the Republican Machine is the most important thing.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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So serious question here. If you had to choose between voting for Hillary Clinton, or Senator Warren, which would it be?

(And no Republicans, this is a either or, not a "I choose neither, I would rather [insert horrbile thing here]". Pick one or the other, and say why.
if these were the choices offered, I would either buy a boat, or dig a hole.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Are you talking about primaries? If this is a general race hypothetical, than what a hideous choice. They're both way too divisive to be president and represent our nation. That said, if I had to choose I'd hold my nose and vote for Clinton.

Is Cuomo no longer a name being thrown out there for the 2016 Democratic primaries?
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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Are you talking about primaries? If this is a general race hypothetical, than what a hideous choice. They're both way too divisive to be president and represent our nation. That said, if I had to choose I'd hold my nose and vote for Clinton.

Is Cuomo no longer a name being thrown out there for the 2016 Democratic primaries?
How has Warren been divisive?
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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Clinton... even though she cowardly labeled her self a Progressive.
I'm seeing much in the way of derogatory implications directed at the word progressive, seems to me the definition of Progressive is a good thing Or is there another definition i'm not seeing in my dictionary?..

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1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4. ( initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.

5. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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Sickofnyc: That's a joke, right? Warren is pretty far left relative to Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, two Democrats who I'd call generally center-left.

Divisive doesn't mean you're out actively looking for trouble, like Cruz. It just means a lot of people disagree with you. The farther you fall on either side of the political spectrum, the more divisive you are - by definition (of course there are a ton of additional factors that can also make a person divisive).
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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Sickofnyc: That's a joke, right? Warren is pretty far left relative to Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, two Democrats who I'd call generally center-left.

Divisive doesn't mean you're out actively looking for trouble, like Cruz. It just means a lot of people disagree with you. The farther you fall on either side of the political spectrum, the more divisive you are - by definition (of course there are a ton of additional factors that can also make a person divisive).
The right has gone so far to the right that even right wing idol Reagan would be far too Liberal for them, so by those standards ANYONE and EVERYONE is divisive.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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I'm seeing much in the way of derogatory implications directed at the word progressive, seems to me the definition of Progressive is a good thing Or is there another definition i'm not seeing in my dictionary?..
Yes, there is.
David Sirota: What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?

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A "progressive" are those [sic] who focus on using government power to make large institutions play by a set of rules.
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Economic progressivism, by contrast, has historically trumpeted the government fiat as the best instrument of social change — think food safety, minimum wage and labor laws, and also post-Depression financial rules and enforcement agencies. Progressivism's central theory is that government, as the nation's supreme authority, can set parameters channeling capitalism's profit motive into societal priorities.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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The right has gone so far to the right that even right wing idol Reagan would be far too Liberal for them, so by those standards ANYONE and EVERYONE is divisive.
Well, yeah. Every politician is divisive to a degree. The issue is just how divisive you are. I don't think Warren would fare well to get the majority of independents' votes. If she were to somehow, someway be the Democratic nominee (which she won't be because I don't think she's even interested in the position), it'd make the 2016 race much more of a nail-biter than if Clinton was the nominee.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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Hillary Clinton. Excellent experience, and I like her temperment for the job.
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