CNN Poll: If Election Were Re-held Today (2014) - Romney 53%, Obama 44% - USA Buyer's Remorse (voting, campaign)

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by nmnita

why do you have to play the race card? This has nothing to do with color, if it did the polls would not have changed so much. Many on the left are even now saying, he isn't effective. How can anyone deny that?

You are right, the poll is meaningless at this time, but the fact still remains, our President isn't doing a very good job right now; in fact he is doing a lousy job!!!

jjrose: what does Hillary versus Romney have to do with this? No one is suggesting she would not and no one is suggesting Romney run. The poll is simply showing, at this time people would support Romney..what does that have to do with Hillary?

1. Opinions are not Fact. Your biased opinion has just as much weight as every other biased opinon.

2. Many on the left say he is not effective, but it isnt for the same reason you are saying it. We blame a Republican party which would rather win an election than govern, you blame the president.


3. You are arguing that Democrats/people on the left would vote for Romney and that is a pipe dream that you and CNN share.

As stated before, it does matter where you poll as both Rassmussen and Gallup both said in 2012, because they both over polled Southerners and white people, both of which are more likely to vote republican even if they do not define themselves as such.


So lets make a deal, when CNN decides to release the Demographics and regional break down of their polling, then you can make your claims, until then, they just wanted a headline.


UPDATE: OH, look what I found hiding in the date

A total of 1,012 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones. All
respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to reflect national Census
figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage. Among the entire sample, 32% described
themselves as Democrats, 24% described themselves as Republicans, and 44% described themselves as Independents or members of another party

2012 presidential election Demographics

38% Democrat
32% Republican
29% Independent


Underpolled Democrats by 6 Points

Overpolled independents by 15 points.

So in short, these arent the people who voted in 2012. But CNN wanted you to believe it was so that they could get headlines.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

Yeah, I think a lot of people are regretting voting for Obama over Hillary in 2008, just like they are regretting voting for Obama over Romney.

Obama, the president we regret.

The Poll does not show " Who you voted for in 2012 or 2008"

All it shows is who you would vote for today. But we dont know the break down so those 53% of people could have all voted for Romney 2 years ago and those who said they would vote for Barack could have all voted for him.

[LauraC]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

Not using registered voters tends to help Democrats.

Do you think that's why they did it? I've just never seen a political poll that uses registered and non-registered in the same poll by design.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

Not using registered voters tends to help Democrats.

Thats only true of black voters. Any other Demographic and it actually helps Republicans.

[Enigma777]

If conservatives didn't spend all their time whining and dwelling on 'what might have been' maybe they would win a national election. They cannot seem to move forward in a constructive manner -- perhaps because they don't like moving forward, despise change and would rather engage in magical thinking.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by nmnita

why do you have to play the race card? This has nothing to do with color, if it did the polls would not have changed so much. Many on the left are even now saying, he isn't effective. How can anyone deny that?

You are right, the poll is meaningless at this time, but the fact still remains, our President isn't doing a very good job right now; in fact he is doing a lousy job!!!

jjrose: what does Hillary versus Romney have to do with this? No one is suggesting she would not and no one is suggesting Romney run. The poll is simply showing, at this time people would support Romney..what does that have to do with Hillary?

The same link from the OP shows that people may prefer Romney over Obama if the election were today, but it also shows that people would prefer Hillary over Romney if the election were today. Either way Romney loses. He already lost to Obama, and would lose to Hillary.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by nmnita

why do you have to play the race card? This has nothing to do with color, if it did the polls would not have changed so much. Many on the left are even now saying, he isn't effective. How can anyone deny that?

You are right, the poll is meaningless at this time, but the fact still remains, our President isn't doing a very good job right now; in fact he is doing a lousy job!!!

jjrose: what does Hillary versus Romney have to do with this? No one is suggesting she would not and no one is suggesting Romney run. The poll is simply showing, at this time people would support Romney..what does that have to do with Hillary?

Click on the link and you will find out. The poll did ask more than one match up question. In addition to asking Obama vs Romney, the poll also asked Hillary vs Romney

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by LauraC

Do you think that's why they did it? I've just never seen a political poll that uses registered and non-registered in the same poll by design.

Some polls, especially when further away from Election Day will be all adults. The closer the poll is to the election the polls tend to become registered voters, and even closer likely voters (typically likely voters are only asked close to election day because getting a true likely voter model is very difficult a bit further out)

This poll was asked of all adults, but one of the questions they asked is if they are registered to vote, so it simply broke it down further. It isn't that unusual.

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Thats only true of black voters. Any other Demographic and it actually helps Republicans.

Facts are that polls with Likely Voters skews to Republicans, Registered Voters then starts to shift to Democrats and then all adults skews to Democrats the most. Republicans in recent history are more likely to vote in terms of percentages of the group voting.

The fact is, CNN's pollster is known for being relatively accurate. Their Obama approval rating has been hitting the RCP average pretty well including perfectly as I type.

Look in the mirror and consider that you always have to spin and deceive to protect precious thrills Obama is a condemnation of Obama himself.


Bottom line: if the election were held today, Romney would win, because Obama has been exposed.

[california-jewel]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

approve/disapprove =/= would/would not vote for

You seem to still not understand that.


A Democrat who disapproves of President Obama isnt going to go vote for a Republican.

Can you say this with 100% accuracy and have factual data to back this statement up. Really!

Our friends who live in a custom home in Murrieta, staunch democrats, or they were. Will be voting Republician, don't like this choice, take it up with them and the good people who live in Murrieta Calif.


They had enough of the immigration mess, that Obama has a huge hand in that took place in their city.

They have had enough, when faced with something like this, and you see it up close and personal, you change, and they did. Infact 3 of those couples alone are Democrats, and will not be leading towards another democrat, too lie and be deceitful more then half of the damn time. Or someone whose only game is, to blame the other fellow, which by the way gets really old really fast.

Not all democrats are stupid, some actually do learn their lessons well.

Democrats I am friends with, are really tired of Obama changing laws to suit his OWN AGENDA. And they are tired of him acting dumb more then half the time. Because lo and behold, he never knows a darn thing. Looking into the matter, and we all know what that means, NOTHING

And our democrat friends, are not ignorant, they want a President who can accept accountability and be responsible for his own messes, and finally MAN THE HELL UP.