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The cost. It's not free. It has to come out of tax dollars. Expenditure for K-12 is somewhere between $10,000 to $15,000 per pupil. Expenditure for higher education is as much as 4 times that. The current tax structure would not be able to support it. Additionally, the current higher education system would not be able to support it. There just aren't enough high quality professors for every single high school graduate.
Wall Street speculation tax and slashing military spending can pay for it. But that requires politicians who are not in the pocket of the military industrial complex and the parasitic Wall Street banks who enjoy bailouts and too big to fail insurance policy.
Wall Street speculation tax and slashing military spending can pay for it. But that requires politicians who are not in the pocket of the military industrial complex and the parasitic Wall Street banks who enjoy bailouts and too big to fail insurance policy.
Bush's investment in banks was profitable. It actually generated more money than it cost. The alternate would have been a failure in the banking system that would have led to a depression. You might be pro-depression, but it's not all that great for the middle-class.
Education is funded by state and local governments. State and local governments to not have military.
Bush's investment in banks was profitable. It actually generated more money than it cost. The alternate would have been a failure in the banking system that would have led to a depression. You might be pro-depression, but it's not all that great for the middle-class.
Education is funded by state and local governments. State and local governments to not have military.
The banks tanked the economy at the cost of trillions of dollars for the taxpayer and these same banks are now far bigger and more dominant than ever and are under the too big to fail insurance policy giving them massive advantages. Its a huge racket and highly detrimental to the economy. Its time for these parasites to pay back to the middle class.
Slashing the military industrial complex spending and investing in education is perfectly doable.
The banks tanked the economy at the cost of trillions of dollars for the taxpayer and these same banks are now far bigger and more dominant than ever and are under the too big to fail insurance policy giving them massive advantages. Its a huge racket and highly detrimental to the economy. Its time for these parasites to pay back to the middle class.
Slashing the military industrial complex spending and investing in education is perfectly doable.
The middle-class has 401ks higher than ever. I think they are fine.
What part of the constitution empowers the federal government to spend money on higher education tuition?
Did you go to college?
How many years of education do you have past high school?
In what income bracket are you?
Haha, you missed the point completely. I am a high school drop out, I own the company that I work for and would all but guarantee you I have been paying a much higher rate in taxes for longer than you have been alive. However none of that is relevant to the subject.
I was just having this very conversation with another idealistic little twit, who thought that my generation owed her an education. Hopefully this will help you understand the mindset of adults who have worked for what they have in this country.
#1; No where in the Constitution does it provide for me or anyone else to pay for your education. For all intents and purposes that should be the end of the discussion. Now obviously, you and others think that Socialism would be a good thing for this Country regardless of the Constitution, so the discussion continues.
#2; Many, many, many, youth today have no business going to college let alone having it paid for by someone else. We all know far too many kids that spent years and dollars in college only to come out with some worthless degree and a job at Starbucks pissing and moaning about student loans and the income they don't have but feel they are entitled to.
I have a College age son who was filled with indignation when I told him I wasn't paying for his college, if he didn't want to go where he was offered a football scholarship he would have to figure it out himself. Unlike his friend who's parents refied their home to send their sons stupid ass to a 4 year college to get a mechanical engineering degree only to have him quit after 3 semesters and is now working at Costco.
Most kids just need to learn a trade or skill and go to work and be productive. If you have a great desire to go to college to learn an occupation that you can then go out and create a living then you should go to a bank and convince them that you are a good risk for them to loan you the money.
#3; Universities and Colleges are ridiculously overpriced politically correct indoctrination centers who certainly do not deserve to be rewarded with any more government subsidies than they are already getting. Now we all understand that the leftist answer to everything is more government funds , when the facts show a completely different picture. Do your self a favor and read Levins book... he lays out very well the trouble with our education system today. http://www.amazon.com/Plunder-Deceit.../dp/1451606303
It's defendable. Maybe you should actually have read my previous post. The high tuition is to get money out of those who can afford to contribute to the cause. That's it. These people subsidize the learning for those who cannot afford it. That's how academics works.
Please provide a link that supports this concept that students are charged HIGH tuition to pay for the poor. That is socialism and a really bad example because plenty of middle class kids have to pay full tuition. Can you post sources to support your outrageous post?
Haha, you missed the point completely. I am a high school drop out, I own the company that I work for and would all but guarantee you I have been paying a much higher rate in taxes for longer than you have been alive. However none of that is relevant to the subject.
I was just having this very conversation with another idealistic little twit, who thought that my generation owed her an education. Hopefully this will help you understand the mindset of adults who have worked for what they have in this country.
Thanks for your sincerity!
Not everybody needs to college, however, the system has brainwashed folks into the idea that to make it in this world one needs a college degree.
Free or low tuition should only be available for those that are truly gifted in academics with no blue collar skills. Admitting every Joe Blow to college is nonsense, but as I said college is a business and the more they can admit the better. This is known as manipulation of the masses and it works. Cheap college for the few gifted would not be that expensive.
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#1; No where in the Constitution does it provide for me or anyone else to pay for your education. For all intents and purposes that should be the end of the discussion. Now obviously, you and others think that Socialism would be a good thing for this Country regardless of the Constitution, so the discussion continues.
Then leave the US because you are paying for free education till grade 12.
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#2; Many, many, many, youth today have no business going to college let alone having it paid for by someone else. We all know far too many kids that spent years and dollars in college only to come out with some worthless degree and a job at Starbucks pissing and moaning about student loans and the income they don't have but feel they are entitled to.
I agree, you are praying to the choir here.
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I have a College age son who was filled with indignation when I told him I wasn't paying for his college, if he didn't want to go where he was offered a football scholarship he would have to figure it out himself. Unlike his friend who's parents refied their home to send their sons stupid ass to a 4 year college to get a mechanical engineering degree only to have him quit after 3 semesters and is now working at Costco.
Anecdotes are not admissible in scientific studies. Nevertheless, this is a case where someone with little academic talent was admitted and the college made a ton of money for three semesters.
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Most kids just need to learn a trade or skill and go to work and be productive. If you have a great desire to go to college to learn an occupation that you can then go out and create a living then you should go to a bank and convince them that you are a good risk for them to loan you the money.
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#3; Universities and Colleges are ridiculously overpriced politically correct indoctrination centers who certainly do not deserve to be rewarded with any more government subsidies than they are already getting. Now we all understand that the leftist answer to everything is more government funds , when the facts show a completely different picture. Do your self a favor and read Levins book... he lays out very well the trouble with our education system today.
I am an independent and I cringe when the left wanst to send everybody to college.
Do not forget that both the Dems and the Reps are in the pocket of contributors and they will defend the status quo.
Donald Trump will not be able to change the constitution regarding anchor babies and Bernie Sanders will never get free college. However, it is time to examine the fact that college tuition is a business and they are fleecing America.
What part of the constitution empowers the federal government to spend money on higher education tuition?
A byproduct of capitalism is socialism, that is why schools K-12 are free.
In the old days only the children of the wealthy received an education because the parents could hire tutors.
As societies become more advanced and civilized they tend to pay for basic schooling for everybody. We are not in Roman times when only the elite received an education. It is called progress!
Not everybody needs to college, however, the system has brainwashed folks into the idea that to make it in this world one needs a college degree.
Free or low tuition should only be available for those that are truly gifted in academics with no blue collar skills. Admitting every Joe Blow to college is nonsense, but as I said college is a business and the more they can admit the better. This is known as manipulation of the masses and it works. Cheap college for the few gifted would not be that expensive.
Then leave the US because you are paying for free education till grade 12.
I agree, you are praying to the choir here.
Anecdotes are not admissible in scientific studies. Nevertheless, this is a case where someone with little academic talent was admitted and the college made a ton of money for three semesters.
Agree
I am an independent and I cringe when the left wanst to send everybody to college.
Do not forget that both the Dems and the Reps are in the pocket of contributors and they will defend the status quo.
Donald Trump will not be able to change the constitution regarding anchor babies and Bernie Sanders will never get free college. However, it is time to examine the fact that college tuition is a business and they are fleecing America.
GOOD POST!
You are all over the map... Your op asked why College shouldn't be free. Seems you just wanted a thread to exercise your ability to debate.This isn't a scientific study it is a post on a forum, my anecdotes is but one small example of hundreds of thousands of cases just like it that everyone is aware of.
You don't reward a business that is fleecing America with more taxpayer dollars.
There is no such thing as free health care or free College education. Socialism doesn't work... If it did, we would have zero poverty in this country.
Can you justify why student loan bankruptcy should be allowed? Because you haven't.
All other debt qualifies for bankruptcy except student loans. I smell a rat!
But, that is moot. No one in America should have to go into heavy debt to study.
But mediocre students get admitted in droves to college and are brainwashed with the idea that with college they will have great paying jobs.
And loans are easy to get, ALL qualify and the colleges get rich because the money is transferred directly to the school.
And some colleges pay their presidents as much as 3 million a year. All of this subsidized by loans by the federal government. The money goes to the rich colleges and the students are saddled with debt for a lifetime. This is a major crisis in America.
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Student loan debt: America's next big crisis
As of the second calendar quarter ending June 30, seriously delinquent student loans (which the FRBNY describes as those whose payments are 90 or more days past due), increased to 11.5% of the $1.19 trillion dollars' worth of education loans, versus 11.1% in the first quarter.
Before you dismiss four-tenths of one percent as decimal dust, consider this: Although student loans make up only 10% of all consumer debt, the amount of seriously past due student loan payments total nearly one-third of all seriously past-due debt payments. What's more, of the total $1.19 trillion in outstanding education-related loans, only about half that amount is actually in repayment at this time (the balance is deferred because the borrowers are still in school).
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Haha, you missed the point completely. I am a high school drop out, I own the company that I work for and would all but guarantee you I have been paying a much higher rate in taxes for longer than you have been alive. However none of that is relevant to the subject. 
