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Old 09-01-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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I don't know the answer. Is (or was) he a Cuban citizen by virtue of his dad (who was a Cuban national when Raffy was born)? Don't most countries confer automatic citizenship to the offsprings of their nationals, regardless of the nationality of the other parent or the location of birth?

He renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2013, so we know he was a Canadian by birth until then. And he is a US citizen. Could he also be a Cuban national by birth (descent)? If yes, then he might still be a Cuban-US dual citizen since he has never renounced Cuban citizenship. Or can Cuban citizenship be lost automatically by virtue of some external occurrence?

Does anybody know the answer?

Mick

 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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It appears he does not have Cuban citizenship.

Cuba Citizenship Law - Law Firms lawyers, Attorney, Solicitor, Injury of Cuba

ARTICLE 29

Cuban citizens by birth are:
- those born in national territory, with the exception of the children of foreign persons at the service of their government or international organizations. In the case of the children of temporary foreign residents in the country, the law stipulates the requisites and formalities;

- those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and on an official mission;

- those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban, who have complied with the formalities stipulated by law;

- those born outside national territory, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and who lost their Cuban citizenship provide they apply for said citizenship according to the procedures stated by law;

foreigners who, by virtue of their exceptional merits won in the struggles for Cubans liberation, were considered Cuban citizens by birth.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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I don't know the answer. Is (or was) he a Cuban citizen by virtue of his dad (who was a Cuban national when Raffy was born)? Don't most countries confer automatic citizenship to the offsprings of their nationals, regardless of the nationality of the other parent or the location of birth?

He renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2013, so we know he was a Canadian by birth until then. And he is a US citizen. Could he also be a Cuban national by birth (descent)? If yes, then he might still be a Cuban-US dual citizen since he has never renounced Cuban citizenship. Or can Cuban citizenship be lost automatically by virtue of some external occurrence?

Does anybody know the answer?

Mick
no, he isn't. under cuban law he is eligible for citizenship but that citizenship is not automatic and it would not take affect until after he applied and was accepted.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Cuba Citizenship Law - Law Firms lawyers, Attorney, Solicitor, Injury of Cuba

ARTICLE 29

Cuban citizens by birth are:
those born in national territory, with the exception of the children of foreign persons at the service of their government or international organizations. In the case of the children of temporary foreign residents in the country, the law stipulates the requisites and formalities;

those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and on an official mission;

those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban, who have complied with the formalities stipulated by law;

those born outside national territory, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and who lost their Cuban citizenship provide they apply for said citizenship according to the procedures stated by law;

foreigners who, by virtue of their exceptional merits won in the struggles for Cubans liberation, were considered Cuban citizens by birth.
Hmmmm, presumably Daddy wasn't on an official mission but did they comply with "the formalities stipulated by law"?

Interestingly, Daddy became Canadian citizen first and then renounced the Canadian citizenship only when he received the US citizenship in 2005. Weird, since he was granted political asylum in 1961. Why did he wait 44 years? Confusing.

Mick
 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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Did Obama ever denounce his Indonesian citizenship?
 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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Did Obama ever denounce his Indonesian citizenship?
he never had it. by indonesian law he has yet to be eligible for citizenship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone...ationality_law
 
Old 09-01-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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It appears he does not have Cuban citizenship.

Cuba Citizenship Law - Law Firms lawyers, Attorney, Solicitor, Injury of Cuba

ARTICLE 29

Cuban citizens by birth are:
- those born in national territory, with the exception of the children of foreign persons at the service of their government or international organizations. In the case of the children of temporary foreign residents in the country, the law stipulates the requisites and formalities;

- those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and on an official mission;

- those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban, who have complied with the formalities stipulated by law;

- those born outside national territory, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and who lost their Cuban citizenship provide they apply for said citizenship according to the procedures stated by law;

foreigners who, by virtue of their exceptional merits won in the struggles for Cubans liberation, were considered Cuban citizens by birth.

Darn I wish we could copy Cuba's citizenship law......
 
Old 09-01-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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Lightbulb Probably a commie

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I don't know the answer. Is (or was) he a Cuban citizen by virtue of his dad (who was a Cuban national when Raffy was born)? Don't most countries confer automatic citizenship to the offsprings of their nationals, regardless of the nationality of the other parent or the location of birth?

He renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2013, so we know he was a Canadian by birth until then. And he is a US citizen. Could he also be a Cuban national by birth (descent)? If yes, then he might still be a Cuban-US dual citizen since he has never renounced Cuban citizenship. Or can Cuban citizenship be lost automatically by virtue of some external occurrence?

Does anybody know the answer?

Mick

Rafael Cruz was born in Cuba.

 
Old 09-01-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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Is this thread all about making Lib birthers as idiotic as rw birthers? Feeling threatened that you won't look as stupid?
 
Old 09-01-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Is this thread all about making Lib birthers as idiotic as rw birthers? Feeling threatened that you won't look as stupid?
the vast majority of cruz birthers are the "de vattel" segment of birthers left over from obama. right wing, not left wing.

nobody in this thread has said that cruz is ineligible for POTUS and it's already been pointed out that he never possessed cuban citizenship.

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