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Old 10-04-2015, 11:03 AM
 
Location: cary, nc
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Isn't that impressive that Socialist Bernie Sanders had the same program as the Republican Party some 50 years ago? I really wonder, who has moved ... I think Bernie Sanders has moved too far to the right ... no? What does that say about the Republicans?
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Old 10-04-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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The Republican Party had to move left in the 1950's; they were coming off the heels of years of Democratic administrations.

The Democratic Party has to move right in the 1990's; they were coming off the heels of years of Republican administrations.

Don't you Democrats miss the good old days, in the 1990's, when Democrats believed in family values and traditional marriage?


^ See how this argument can go both ways? It's all about political pandering.
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Old 10-04-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders would have been a Republican 50 years ago, when they actually cared about the voters.

Over the last 40 years, big money interests have completely hijacked the political system, with their far right plutocrat agenda at the, so the parties are unrecognizable.
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Old 10-04-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That's not what I said. I said the Washington Post is looking out for the good of the Democratic Party by trying to avert a Sanders crisis. You should be ecstatic that the WaPo is being the voice of reason and shutting down the fringe elements of the Democratic Party. They are saving the Democratic Party from itself.
I think you are confused. The linked article was in the Politics section. In the Washington Post, opinions are written in the Opinion Section. As such, I see nothing in that article that takes a position that Mr. Sanders needs to be shut down to help the Democratic Party. Perhaps you can quote where it does?

What that article did do, is outline some of Mr. Sanders' proposals, which I think are reasonable. There should be higher taxes on capital gains and we should fund higher education better with public money. One shouldn't have to be rich or in debt for 30 years just to go to college.
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Old 10-04-2015, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Isn't that impressive that Socialist Bernie Sanders had the same program as the Republican Party some 50 years ago? I really wonder, who has moved ... I think Bernie Sanders has moved too far to the right ... no? What does that say about the Republicans?
Republicans have changed their tune and shifted far to the right. Below is an excerpt from the 1956 Republican platform. In it, they credited themselves with raising the minimum wage, providing unemployment insurance, adding people to Social Security, raising Social Security benefits and crediting LABOR for the wealth of the nation. Today's Republicans only praise the rich as job creators and wealth builders.

In 1956, Sanders would have been considered a slight-left-leaning moderate. Today, the right-side guys think he is far left. But that is only because the GOP has shifted far-right. Remember, Nixon was considered in his time a conservative. Yet, he started the EPA and instituted wage and price controls to tackle inflation. If Obama did that, the GOP would call him a Socialist. Oh wait...

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Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
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The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The Republican Party had to move left in the 1950's; they were coming off the heels of years of Democratic administrations.

The Democratic Party has to move right in the 1990's; they were coming off the heels of years of Republican administrations.

Don't you Democrats miss the good old days, in the 1990's, when Democrats believed in family values and traditional marriage?


^ See how this argument can go both ways? It's all about political pandering.
The GOP was a moderate party starting with Ike. Then, they actually won national elections. But they followed with an ultra-conservative and got trounced in the 1964 election, which made them abandon those ultra-right views until Reagan.

G.O.P. Shift Moves Center Far to Right

This is from Voteview.com.

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Old 10-04-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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The GOP was a moderate party starting with Ike. Then, they actually won national elections. But they followed with an ultra-conservative and got trounced in the 1964 election, which made them abandon those ultra-right views until Reagan.

G.O.P. Shift Moves Center Far to Right

This is from Voteview.com.
Deomcratic Ideology was highest in the 1990's? The part moved to the center with Bill Clinton, so I have no idea what that is trying to portray.
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Bernie supporters are so brainwashed its not even funny.
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Bernie supporters are so brainwashed its not even funny.
That's what we say about people like you, middle-class workers, who vote for the party that is less likely to protect your safety, less likely to protect your job, and less likely to benefit you economically, while showering tax-breaks on billionaires.
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Deomcratic Ideology was highest in the 1990's? The part moved to the center with Bill Clinton, so I have no idea what that is trying to portray.
You aren't reading the graph properly.
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