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Old 10-25-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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As Mother Teresa taught us, charity, if it is real, must cost us. It costs nothing to take from Peter to pay Paul.

He also would never mention tax. Everybody will be paying higher taxes under his policy, with the exception for low income folks - they never have to worry about taxes anyway. His policy will hurt the middle class and upper middle class the most.
On the contrary. He is always mentioning taxes. And takes pain to explain that a national health care system paid by taxes on everyone is far cheaper than having to pay tens of thousands of dollars in private health insurance plans, co-pays and deductibles. It's the most regressive system possible. Far worse than a sales tax. A universal single payer system costs roughly half of the highly inefficient privatized health care system of the US. It's as bad as it gets for the middle class and bankrupts millions. What's so great about going bankrupt because of cancer treatment?

Paying taxes to fund human needs benefits the middle class massively. What does not benefit the middle class is the current system in America where the middle class is weakening by the day as corrupt politicians sell out the middle class to corporate powers who fund their campaigns. That's why Bernie Sanders is so popular. He has a 40 year old track record of standing up for the average American. In Vermont, he gets 25% of the Republican vote as well. They appreciate a straight shooter who they know is fighting for them, and not dark money special interests.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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On the contrary. He is always mentioning taxes. And takes pain to explain that a national health care system paid by taxes on everyone is far cheaper than having to pay tens of thousands of dollars in private health insurance plans, co-pays and deductibles. It's the most regressive system possible. Far worse than a sales tax. A universal single payer system costs roughly half of the highly inefficient privatized health care system of the US. It's as bad as it gets for the middle class and bankrupts millions. What's so great about going bankrupt because of cancer treatment?

Paying taxes to fund human needs benefits the middle class massively. What does not benefit the middle class is the current system in America where the middle class is weakening by the day as corrupt politicians sell out the middle class to corporate powers who fund their campaigns. That's why Bernie Sanders is so popular. He has a 40 year old track record of standing up for the average American. In Vermont, he gets 25% of the Republican vote as well. The appreciate a straight shooter who they know is fighting for them, and not dark money special interests.
Then you should vote for him. I won't. and agree to disagree at this point.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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What handouts do I get? I pay fuel tax, property tax, state income tax, state sales tax, and tolls. How is that not paying for the roads I use?
You are not paying the full cost of the roads because they rely on TAXES, not user fees. If you want no handouts, you have to demand USER FEES! Taxes are progressive by their very nature, the more you earn, the higher dollar amount you pay. You are a complete hypocrite. You cry about other people demanding handouts and not paying for what they get, yet you have no problem with it when it benefits yourself!

Repeat after me. All taxes are more progressive than user fees. As long as you advocate publicly funded roads through taxes, while complaining about handouts, you are a hypocrite.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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On the contrary. He is always mentioning taxes.
Is he proposing we switch to a Scandinavian-style or European-style regressive tax system? If not, he's either extremely uninformed, or he's deliberately lying to his supporters. Which is it...?
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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On the contrary. He is always mentioning taxes. And takes pain to explain that a national health care system paid by taxes on everyone is far cheaper than having to pay tens of thousands of dollars in private health insurance plans, co-pays and deductibles. It's the most regressive system possible. Far worse than a sales tax. A universal single payer system costs roughly half of the highly inefficient privatized health care system of the US. It's as bad as it gets for the middle class and bankrupts millions. What's so great about going bankrupt because of cancer treatment?

Paying taxes to fund human needs benefits the middle class massively. What does not benefit the middle class is the current system in America where the middle class is weakening by the day as corrupt politicians sell out the middle class to corporate powers who fund their campaigns. That's why Bernie Sanders is so popular. He has a 40 year old track record of standing up for the average American. In Vermont, he gets 25% of the Republican vote as well. The appreciate a straight shooter who they know is fighting for them, and not dark money special interests.
Vermont's big plan for health insurance fell by the wayside because it wasn't cheaper.

18% payroll tax and a state tax is what was needed and that is with them keeping all the medicaid money.

No, it won't be "cheap" at all.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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Is he proposing we switch to a Scandinavian-style or European-style regressive tax system? If not, he's either extremely uninformed, or he's deliberately lying to his supporters. Which is it...?
Exactly. Great question and I will be waiting for an answer.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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Vermont's big plan for health insurance fell by the wayside because it wasn't cheaper.

18% payroll tax and a state tax is what was needed and that is with them keeping all the medicaid money.

No, it won't be "cheap" at all.
It will never work on a state basis.

The cost savings are on a national level. That's why all developed countries have a NATIONAL health care system that covers everyone. As a fiscal conservative, that is the smart thing to do.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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Exactly. Great question and I will be waiting for an answer.
Inequality in America is sky high. The bulk of the income and wealth in America does not lie in the hands of the middle class, unlike in Europe. It lies in the hands of the rich. Naturally, it makes no sense to heavily tax the poor and working class in America. It wont generate much revenue. Unlike in Scandinavia where there are no "working poor" and everyone earn a good income. In Scandinavia, there are no caps on income subject to payroll tax, but there is a cap on the maximum payment. Completely the opposite of the situation in America, where the middle class pay a much higher rate than the multi-millionaire CEO.

Some people on this board would love to see a system like in Alabama. Where the poor is really poor, yet they are still burdened with a very high consumption tax including up to an 13.5% tax on food and non-prescription drugs and a very flat and low income tax. The result is no social safety net and massive income inequality. Thousands die every year because of poverty related diseases. This is not what America should be about.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Is he proposing we switch to a Scandinavian-style or European-style regressive tax system? If not, he's either extremely uninformed, or he's deliberately lying to his supporters. Which is it...?

I am still waiting for an answer.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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This is the question.





I am still waiting for an answer.
America does not have the same distribution of income and wealth as Europe. Egalitarian Europe tax where the bulk of the income and wealth is. So should America.
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