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Old 01-24-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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SC has an open primary and no party registration. Any registered voter can choose to vote in one primary.

In reading through the nitty gritty details I find it interesting that only 23% of Whites in SC plan to participate in the DNC primary. It's 81% for Blacks. This is potentially bad news for Bernie.

He is polling 60% with Whites, but only 22% for Blacks.

Exactly. Black Americans tend to have very fond feelings for Bill Clinton, and by extension Hillary. Bernie has no idea how to talk to most black voters, and coming from a state that is 90% white doesn't help. Not only that but Hillary could easily bring up the less than stellar history with African Americans in Vermont:

Here's How Black People Actually Fare in Bernie Sanders' Home State - Mic


Hillary is not stupid, and she has learned from 2008. The only part of the "Obama coalition" that is on Bernie's side are the urban and urbane white liberals in the Prius's drinking $17 lattes and college students. Hillary has the minorities, older Democrats, South Democrats, rural Democrats and union households.

Trust me, once this gets passed Iowa and New Hampshire, it is over for Mr. B.S.

 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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Exactly. Black Americans tend to have very fond feelings for Bill Clinton, and by extension Hillary. Bernie has no idea how to talk to most black voters, and coming from a state that is 90% white doesn't help. Not only that but Hillary could easily bring up the less than stellar history with African Americans in Vermont:

Here's How Black People Actually Fare in Bernie Sanders' Home State - Mic


Hillary is not stupid, and she has learned from 2008. The only part of the "Obama coalition" that is on Bernie's side are the urban and urbane white liberals in the Prius's drinking $17 lattes and college students. Hillary has the minorities, older Democrats, South Democrats, rural Democrats and union households.

Trust me, once this gets passed Iowa and New Hampshire, it is over for Mr. B.S.
He's up sharply among minorities across the country, so I wouldnt be so cocky if I were you. Low income minorities tend to tune in later to the political process than people in highly educated states like New Hampshire, so we shouldnt be surprised that once people start to look at Bernie's integrity, message and track record as a candidate who has stood up for low income and working class people for 40 years, he gets more support. The guy even has a criminal record. For fighting against segregation in Chicago in the 60s. But quite frankly, you've compared Sanders to Joseph Stalin and other mass murderers so you're clearly smoking some strong stuff.
 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:38 PM
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Bernie doesnt have the support or money to campaign across the country. He'll do ok in the beginning states but doomed to fail as other states have elections closer together to one another..
I wouldn't be so sure. He raised 33 million in Q4. Hillary raised 37. The delta was similar for Q3 - he was a few million shy of Clinton. Obama had similar deltas to Clinton - 4 million in Q4, 6 million in Q3.

She has a money advantage, but it's really pretty small. He's certainly not so cash strapped that he can't run a real campaign across the country.

He also doesn't seem to be having any trouble attracting highly dedicated people to go out and campaign for him.
 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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Sure, I agree it takes money but as several polls show from all sorts of states (Alaska being a red conservative state) he's polling pretty darn well even before he will start spending money in these states. And he has managed to raise alot of money, well exceeding expectations and has more individual contributors to his campaign than any other in American history. Well over a million Americans. Sure, it's just ordinary, everyday Americans chipping in, but they can and will contribute again and again because they're far from maxed out unlike the maximum $2700 a plate country club dinners other candidates go for.

I think it's impressive considering the money and power he is up against and being fairly unknown until a few months ago compared to the "star name Clinton". I think the Internet is really becoming increasingly important as well and that's what we see being played out too. It is a sort of democratizing factor. And it makes it slightly easier to compete without begging the rich and powerful for money and eventually making it possible to elect people who will push for public funding of elections so everyone can run for office without having to run into the hands of the big money donor class.
Alaska being a red conservative state doesnt matter when you are polling Sanders vs Clinton because you are only looking at those who are not republicans..
 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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I wouldn't be so sure. He raised 33 million in Q4. Hillary raised 37. The delta was similar for Q3 - he was a few million shy of Clinton.

She has a money advantage, but it's really pretty small. He's certainly not so cash strapped that he can't run a real campaign across the country.

He also doesn't seem to be having any trouble attracting highly dedicated people to go out and campaign for him.
Thats only what went through her campaign, not PACS.
 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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Exactly. Black Americans tend to have very fond feelings for Bill Clinton, and by extension Hillary. Bernie has no idea how to talk to most black voters, and coming from a state that is 90% white doesn't help. Not only that but Hillary could easily bring up the less than stellar history with African Americans in Vermont:
Well they sure didn't in 2008....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfy5PFJwcg
 
Old 01-24-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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I wouldn't be so sure. He raised 33 million in Q4. Hillary raised 37. The delta was similar for Q3 - he was a few million shy of Clinton. Obama had similar deltas to Clinton - 4 million in Q4, 6 million in Q3.

She has a money advantage, but it's really pretty small. He's certainly not so cash strapped that he can't run a real campaign across the country.

He also doesn't seem to be having any trouble attracting highly dedicated people to go out and campaign for him.
Indeed, and Bernie isn't taking PAC money. His donations are coming from many 100s of 1000s small donations. This is unlike Hillary who is being funded by a handful of bankers, PACs, lobbyists, media companies, the medical industry (why do you think she wants to keep Obamacare) etc.
 
Old 01-24-2016, 05:20 PM
 
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Sanders better enjoy things in IA and NH ... cuz The Clinton Machine is gunna put a whoopin' on his old azz in the south and west...
 
Old 01-24-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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Sanders better enjoy things in IA and NH ... cuz The Clinton Machine is gunna put a whoopin' on his old azz in the south and west...
Maybe, maybe not. As I demonstrated above, if he can raise his support among blacks by just 19 points he will win the SC primary.
 
Old 01-24-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Bernie doesnt have the support or money to campaign across the country. He'll do ok in the beginning states but doomed to fail as other states have elections closer together to one another..
Are there many Democrats in South Carolina? I understand it's a pretty solid Red State.

I think when "push comes to shove" Clinton will prevail. When Bernie steps down, he won't be running on an independent ticket.
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