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Some believed Norway is a socialist country, this is SIMPLY untrue.
if Sanders wants to copy Norway's success, he should know the following
1. Norway has open and free markets
Norway has low tariffs in most product categories (except agriculture)
2. It is easy to open a business. Few businesses require a licence to operate, as they do in some other countries.
3 Foreign investment is welcome and have same treatment as domestic companies.
4 Well protected property rights (eminent domains does not exist)
5 High workforce participation. Many "socialist" benefits are targeted towards having as much of the population as possible working, and working as effectively as possible.
6 Norway don't spend that much on government.
Very little corrupt / very little government waste
My half aunt in Germany married a guy from Norway, they want to open several businesses in Norway and I know they will be successful.
Norway is completely different from America. If Sanders was really an honest person like many think he is, he should have told folks that Norway is NEVER a socialist nation. Norway actually has strong capitalist institutions.
Most importantly, Norway found oil buried under the North Sea. They don't need bloody war to get their oil
True, Scandinavia is social democratic, just like Sanders and FDR. It's common for social democratic parties to use terms like democratic socialism from time to time though, because to most people of the world, it simply means democracy and worker's rights and has nothing to do with communism or Soviet Russia.
He has always been an advocate of free enterprise and small businesses and a strong social safety net for the people.
Here is his campaign ad as a senator from Vermont:
True, Scandinavia is social democratic, just like Sanders and FDR. It's common for social democratic parties to use terms like democratic socialism from time to time though, because to most people of the world, it simply means democracy and worker's rights and has nothing to do with communism or Soviet Russia.
He has always been an advocate of free enterprise and small businesses and a strong social safety net for the people.
Here is his campaign ad as a senator from Vermont:
Those who deride Sanders as a "socialist" are those who (anecdotally) typically have bumper stickers and so forth championing the single largest socialist enterprise in the world. But it's not socialism when "the troops" are involved, of course. But on a serious note, I hate how the word has been co-opted from its original meaning.
He is a social democrat aka democratize the economic system. lf one was to remove for-profit health insurance and replace it with a tax, your tax bill will be lower than your premium-copay and deductible costs each year. Another words you'll pay less. He will never be the president and if elected will most likely die of a lightening strike soon after.
Why are you adding in the deductible? Many people, myself included, don't pay a deductible in most years. No way would I pay less than $800 a year (annual premium cost) in additional taxes and even if my deductible kicked in ($ 1,000 annually), the increase would still eclipse that. This is the same sort of magical thinking that gave us "If you like your coverage you can keep it" and " Your premium costs will go down $2500 a year". Maybe it works that way for some, but not even remotely for all.
Some believed Norway is a socialist country, this is SIMPLY untrue.
if Sanders wants to copy Norway's success, he should know the following
1. Norway has open and free markets
Norway has low tariffs in most product categories (except agriculture)
2. It is easy to open a business. Few businesses require a licence to operate, as they do in some other countries.
3 Foreign investment is welcome and have same treatment as domestic companies.
4 Well protected property rights (eminent domains does not exist)
5 High workforce participation. Many "socialist" benefits are targeted towards having as much of the population as possible working, and working as effectively as possible.
6 Norway don't spend that much on government.
Very little corrupt / very little government waste
My half aunt in Germany married a guy from Norway, they want to open several businesses in Norway and I know they will be successful.
Norway is completely different from America. If Sanders was really an honest person like many think he is, he should have told folks that Norway is NEVER a socialist nation. Norway actually has strong capitalist institutions.
Most importantly, Norway found oil buried under the North Sea. They don't need bloody war to get their oil
I'll also add that Norway so no FATCA law (unlike the US), so foreign financial institutions don't have to report Norwegians' accounts to the Norwegian government and taxes can be avoided on investment gains, assets held in trusts, etc., in foreign accounts.
Same applies to the other Scandinavian and European countries, as well.
Those who deride Sanders as a "socialist" are those who (anecdotally) typically have bumper stickers and so forth championing the single largest socialist enterprise in the world. But it's not socialism when "the troops" are involved, of course. But on a serious note, I hate how the word has been co-opted from its original meaning.
are you saying he is a liar? He admitted himself he was a socialist. he never belonged to a socialist party, but he was a socialist. The title is not really important to me, the only bumper stick I had was "I don't know but I've been told, Navy SEALS wear pantyhose."
I respect Bernie as a person, I also don't mind paying tax or more tax, but I want my tax to pay off national debt (this is my priority) Bernie's economic plan doesn't work in today's economy we are not a healthy country.
Why are you adding in the deductible? Many people, myself included, don't pay a deductible in most years. No way would I pay less than $800 a year (annual premium cost) in additional taxes and even if my deductible kicked in ($ 1,000 annually), the increase would still eclipse that. This is the same sort of magical thinking that gave us "If you like your coverage you can keep it" and " Your premium costs will go down $2500 a year". Maybe it works that way for some, but not even remotely for all.
I'd like a link to what plan you have that has those prices/features .
are you saying he is a liar? He admitted himself he was a socialist.
His definition is not the same as yours. Sanders comes from a tradition where socialism simply means democracy and worker's rights. The current president of France is the leader of the Socialist Party of France. Capitalism is alive and well there. All the labor parties in Scandinavia are members of socialist organizations and frequently call themselves socialist. Its the same all over the world. It has nothing to do with communism or Soviet Russia. Sanders would be shot on the spot for his ideas if he was a politician in Soviet Russia.
And if you watch the whole discussion, which was about "Third party politics in America" (a really interesting and informative discourse) you'll see that he says the same as he has always said. This was in 1989.
A socialist question from a caller at 24:00. There is a lot of confusion:
I'd like a link to what plan you have that has those prices/features .
Employer plan. The best available Obamacare plan if (god forbid) I had to buy one, would cost me almost 9K a year just in premiums. It's disingenuous to throw out figures about "savings" based on some metric that doesn't apply to many.
His definition is not the same as yours. Sanders comes from a tradition where socialism simply means democracy and worker's rights. The current president of France is the leader of the Socialist Party of France. Capitalism is alive and well there. All the labor parties in Scandinavia are members of socialist organizations and frequently call themselves socialist. Its the same all over the world. It has nothing to do with communism or Soviet Russia. Sanders would be shot on the spot for his ideas if he was a politician in Soviet Russia.
And if you watch the whole discussion, which was about "Third party politics in America" (a really interesting and informative discourse) you'll see that he says the same as he has always said. This was in 1989.
well, my post was a response to the poster who said, "the people who believed sanders was a socialist..."
That is why I said, he admitted himself he was a socialist.
Maybe there are different types of socialist out there, like there are many different types of Muslims. LOL
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