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Old 02-22-2016, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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So, let me get this straight, after reading wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate)

1. Both parties have them.
2. Republicans have rules that bind them based on state primary results.
3. Democrats have independent ones that can vote for whoever they feel like voting for and can change their vote whenever they feel like doing so.
4. As per DWS, it also seems like the "diversity" is "segregated" when it comes to superdelegates because they do not want to have them having to deal with each other...

How did I do?
Regarding the bolded portion, they can't "change their vote". They only vote once, at the national convention. Once their votes are cast, they can't be changed.

They can change their minds about who they are going to vote for up until that time, though. Just like anyone else.

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Old 02-22-2016, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Regarding the bolded portion, they can't "change their vote". They only vote once, at the national convention. Once their votes are cat, they can't be changed.

They can change their minds about who they are going to vote for up until that time, though. Just like anyone else.
This needs to be repeated often.
The current delegate count that includes the superdelegates is not set in stone.

Of course the constant reporting of a number that includes their votes from last year is meant to discourage people from voting for Sanders, but it is way too early in the primary season to project how things will look in July.

As for Wasserman-Schultz, her idiocy has been duly noted.
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Now doubt Wasserman-Schultz takes lessons from this fellow:
That was the response Hillary gave when ask about the VA. I'm surprised someone hasn't Photoshoped her on that.
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Looking at what happened between Hillary and BO, Super Delegates got unequal votes for different reasons... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...elegates,_2008)

"Officially, the popular vote does not matter in the Democratic presidential nomination. However, political experts sometimes look to the popular vote as an indicator of candidate support and momentum. News media frequently report the popular vote on election night, declaring states "won" on this basis. Superdelegates may also consider the popular vote when making their decision about whom to support. Nevertheless, the popular vote count presents many problems and should be interpreted carefully."

Quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...tial_primaries

I am afraid our vote doesn't mean a whole lot when reading that quote... and then, there is the "Electoral College" that isn't really a "college"... I can start to see why people don't vote like they used to!
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Venus
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I think Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be replaced as head of the DNC. It is obvious that she is incompetent in the job. When you have the GOP in shambles, the Dems SHOULD have swept in 2014-but she sat on her hands and did nothing. And now she is a shill for Hillary. If she supports Hillary as a private citizen, that is her right. But, trying to rig the system for her candidate of choice is totally unethical. I guess she believes that Hillary can't win on her own efforts so she has to stack the deck. And when you stack the deck, 9 times out of 10, it is going to blow up in your face!


It already is starting to blow up in DWS's face. She is being primaried from the left and will probably lose her seat in the House.



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Old 02-23-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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If anybody watched The Lead on CNN Today, during their coverage in anticipation of the townhall tonight, the put the following under Hillary Clinton while she was speaking during a report


Hillary Clinton
(R) Presidential Candidate.
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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The Democratic system of Superdelegates was created to force the party to nominate candidates with better chances of winning the general election and to avoid ever nominating a George McGovern again.
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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The Democratic system of Superdelegates was created to force the party to nominate candidates with better chances of winning the general election and to avoid ever nominating a George McGovern again.
So, making sure the popular vote doesn't override what is good for them is why they came up with superdelegates. Very thoughtful... Their voters don't always know what is best for them!
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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So, making sure the popular vote doesn't override what is good for them is why they came up with superdelegates. Very thoughtful... Their voters don't always know what is best for them!
It's not about what's "best for the voters", but rather what party leadership feels is best for the party.

I feel like a broken record because I've posted this about 500 times, but the DNC (and RNC, for that matter) is more than a facilitator of candidate nominations. It's got an entire political platform that it's party faithful are trying to promote. To do this the party needs to support a candidate that both A) supports the party's platform, and B) has a chance of winning the general election.

The Superdelegate vote doesn't carry enough weight to overcome an overwhelming popular vote, but in a close race where multiple candidates are still vying for the nomination at Convention time it can swing the vote to the candidate that represents the party's best interests.

I'm personally not crazy about the system, but I'm not a Democrat and don't believe that how they choose to nominate their candidate is really any of my business as long as they are following their own rules.

As far as I'm concerned, they can dump all the candidates into shark-infested waters and give the nomination to the one who makes it to shore with the most limbs intact.
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Old 02-26-2016, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It's not about what's "best for the voters", but rather what party leadership feels is best for the party.
When I was saying this, I was being sarcastic... Why should the people's choice matter then?

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I'm personally not crazy about the system, but I'm not a Democrat and don't believe that how they choose to nominate their candidate is really any of my business as long as they are following their own rules.
I believe somebody should make the "everyday Democrat" (and Republican) should know how their vote doesn't really matter as much as they might think. When 1 delegate vote may represent thousands of popular votes during a primary at the convention can be overridden by a "super" delegate because he or she decides what's "best for the party" or he or she is married to the candidate or something similar...

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As far as I'm concerned, they can dump all the candidates into shark-infested waters and give the nomination to the one who makes it to shore with the most limbs intact.
That might be the best way to get rid of the older politicians... I love it!!!
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