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Old 07-05-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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I am so glad that this email nonsense is over.


Although I am thoroughly enjoying watching the Faux News/Trumpeteers heads explode today. Your ANGER feeds my joy

 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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A president should be charged. With today's politics is everything climate, then they might not be.

Can a person who mishandled classified information in the past get a security clearance? No.

Will Hillary? None of the people you mentioned are supposed to be above the law.
The reason those people would not be charges is because the relevant regulations are under their authority.


For instance, because the president is the senior Original Classification Authority, whatever he releases is automatically declassified by the fact of his release (which results in mad activity by intelligence agencies to reclassify their documents in accordance to what the president has revealed).


As the law and pertinent executive order are written, a Department Secretary arguably has the authority to do what Clinton did (as inarguably irresponsible as it was), and "arguably" means "don't bother trying to prosecute it."


It's like a sole proprietor taking money out of his own cash register...it's simply not prosecutable as theft.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Do you work for Hilary?
Sadly, no.

I mean, I can certainly understand the people who are like "I cannot stand Trump, so I will vote for the beast", but the people who are gleeful at the prospect of this criminal being POTUS is astonishing.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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I would assume that they don't know that is classified because there are no markings that specify it's classified. If would assume the email server has a filter that is looking for specific classified markings,and automatically reject emails from the server if such classified markings exist. This would be for receiving classified info on the server.

As far as sending the info, if it was never marked when it came in and if there is no knowledge that it's classified, then there could be a mistake if it's sent out.
That is not at all how things work. Anyone who has ever held a clearance is told repeatedly that material doesn't become magically unclassified if the markings are removed.

Classified information should never be hosted on an insecure server connected to the Internet. Michael Hayden, former director of both the NSA and CIA had this to say about her emails: "I would lose all respect for a whole bunch of foreign intelligence agencies if they weren't sitting back, paging through the emails."
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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R.I.P. rule of law.

I guess laws are just for poor people.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:40 PM
 
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The issue is that the FBI played the "intent" card.

It is true in the classified world; it is all about intent. People do not get in trouble when they expose classified information unintentionally, as so long they correctly abide by reporting requirements. This rule is in place so exposure will be uncovered and addressed quickly to mitigate any damages.

However, I do not believe she is innocent of this intent. Her constant actions of hiding and using delay tactics demonstrate to me that she did not abide by a critical part of the intent, which is reporting. Also, there is no way she could have played off in her position that she unexpectedly would receive classified information, it is like saying a cook does not expect to get food on his hands; her position essentially revolves around classified information from numerous sources. Additionally, she was not in compliance with records management rules, something I did not see addressed.

The FBI clearly stated she did in fact break the laws, but not the a level criminal due to the lack of intent. But she did in fact have classified email on her private servers.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Default FBI Certified liar endorsed for president.

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Team HILLARY for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would cast my vote for her TODAY if I could....but I'll have to wait.
Good to know you endorse an FBI certified liar.


the gravity of her lies is stunning to anyone with a concern for ethics.


Another voter who had no problem being told by another political elitist, 'we have to pass it to find out what is in it".


Why wait, I'm sure the dems will count you twice.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:40 PM
 
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The reason those people would not be charges is because the relevant regulations are under their authority.


For instance, because the president is the senior Original Classification Authority, whatever he releases is automatically declassified by the fact of his release (which results in mad activity by intelligence agencies to reclassify their documents in accordance to what the president has revealed).


As the law and pertinent executive order are written, a Department Secretary arguably has the authority to do what Clinton did (as inarguably irresponsible as it was), and "arguably" means "don't bother trying to prosecute it."


It's like a sole proprietor taking money out of his own cash register...it's simply not prosecutable as theft.

That is a pretty fair explanation.

She should still be precluded from EVER holding another clearance.

I won't hold my breath for that though.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
The reason those people would not be charges is because the relevant regulations are under their authority.


For instance, because the president is the senior Original Classification Authority, whatever he releases is automatically declassified by the fact of his release (which results in mad activity by intelligence agencies to reclassify their documents in accordance to what the president has revealed).


As the law and pertinent executive order are written, a Department Secretary arguably has the authority to do what Clinton did (as inarguably irresponsible as it was), and "arguably" means "don't bother trying to prosecute it."


It's like a sole proprietor taking money out of his own cash register...it's simply not prosecutable as theft.
None of this is true. None of them are above the law simply because they are suppose to be responsible for the law. The president does not own the law.
 
Old 07-05-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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Disgusting. The system is totally corrupt. :insert barfing smiley face here:
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