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Old 09-09-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by candalf View Post
Someone with direct knowlege of Putin's Russia here:

Sure, he is a strong leader. Not sure whether he is stronger than Obama or if such a comparison is meaningful but yes, Putin is strong.

But strength in itself is neither good nor bad. It is all about how it is being applied and to what end. In Russia its not being used for the well being of its people, that is for sure.

There is political censorship and voicing certain opinions out loud may lend you in jail or worse. There is state sanctioned religious descrimination and religious indoctrination. Being gay and talking about it is illegal. A large segment of the population is in a media induced state of hysteria about Russia's fictional enemies being ready to strike.

There is corruption like people who's only lived in America cannot even begin to imagine- despite all the patriotic brainwashing, the elite and those who serve it will suck you dry with complete impunity. Healthcare is in ruins. Infrastructure outside of regional capitals is barely in existence. The level of petty violence makes America look like Eden. Overall, it is not a happy place on many, many levels.

My sense is that Trump will bring America closer to my description of Russia above. If what I told you about Putin's Russia sounds like your American dream, Trump is totally your guy in November.
Thank you for that insight.

 
Old 09-09-2016, 08:09 PM
 
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Here's one link. From Fox News. I'll be back with more.

Putin opponent near death in suspected poisoning | Fox News

Here's another one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d51_story.html
Here's some more, imprisoning people for singing unflattering songs about him.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-humiliation

Gotta love these American patriots. Freedom lovers one and all!!!
 
Old 09-09-2016, 08:58 PM
 
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Obama is NOT a leader...that is the first problem. He is more like a pathetic weakling who does his masters' bidding and knocks us down a few notches on the world stage as an avenue towards ushering in the New World Order. It's as simple as that!
 
Old 09-09-2016, 09:08 PM
 
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Default Not so shinning!

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It worked out pretty well for Obama. He served two terms, brought the economy back from disaster, saved the American auto industry, killed Osama Bin Laden, drew down forces in Iraq. That's all pretty "real world."
Obama got Bin laden because the efforts of GW Bust if you really want to split hairs. Obama just finished the task. We should of le the Auto industry file Chapter 11 &13 so they can reorganize. Obama basically kept the unions afloat.
Obama demanded the resignation of GN EA, Rick Wagner. Obama new under the rules of Bankruptcy all labor contracts would be reviewed.


Obama and Clinton drew down forces for Issa to take over and use our equipment. Obama & Clinton, disregarded the Joint Chiefs and the Commanders to leave a stay behind force.


That is not a endearing results!
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Originally Posted by Sagle Sam 2016 View Post
Obama is NOT a leader...that is the first problem. He is more like a pathetic weakling who does his masters' bidding and knocks us down a few notches on the world stage as an avenue towards ushering in the New World Order. It's as simple as that!
"Simple" is how I would describe this post too.
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obama got Bin laden because the efforts of GW Bust if you really want to split hairs. Obama just finished the task. We should of le the Auto industry file Chapter 11 &13 so they can reorganize. Obama basically kept the unions afloat.
Obama demanded the resignation of GN EA, Rick Wagner. Obama new under the rules of Bankruptcy all labor contracts would be reviewed.


Obama and Clinton drew down forces for Issa to take over and use our equipment. Obama & Clinton, disregarded the Joint Chiefs and the Commanders to leave a stay behind force.


That is not a endearing results!
On Bush's efforts to get bin Laden: Bush 'Not Concerned' About Bin Laden in '02 - latimes

GM and Chrysler were completely bankrupt and had no buyers for assets. The bailout, started under Bush, was the cheapest and most humane alternative. See: GM: The Most Successful Bailout Bankruptcy - The Big Picture

On Iraq drawdown: Bush, Clinton Play Blame Game in Iraq
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:20 PM
 
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^^^^It doesn't matter what you say or what you link to. Trump supporters live in an alternate universe where up is down, right is left and history is rewritten with impunity. It's mind-boggling.
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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Putin is not a thug. I do love how many people are listed by Republicans as having ended up dead after crossing paths with the Clintons, but Democrats would have a fit claiming it is lies and biased conspiracy theories, but the same Democrats latch on to the same styled claims about Putin.

Putin is a strong leader. He is also a wise leader. He's has done more for Russia in a positive manner than Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton combined have done for the United States. He will go down as one of the greatest leaders of Russia.

As for Obama he is a militant apologist for American Exceptionalism. That is to say he preaches that the United States is superior to all other nations and nationalities on earth to such an extraordinary degree that the US alone does not have to follow international law, can overthrow governments anytime it wishes, and has a holy mission to spread (even by force) it's values on to the rest of humanity across planet earth. That is what Obama preaches. That is what Obama is involved in via the expansion of NATO onto Russia's boarders and having had Gaddafi extra-judicially murdered. Or rather the bosses of Obama.

Obama already survived Chicago and did well on its political culture. The political world Putin arose in after the fall of communism was even more corrupt than gangster run Chicago. So, Putin had to be tough and smart to navigate and rise in that world.

The working class Russians love Putin for the similar reasons working class Americans loved Bill Clinton. Wealthy whites in the US love the shady banksters and greedy corporate leaders the same as the love the criminal oligarchs they accuse Putin of victimizing more than a pedophile raping a child. But they claim the same degree of victimization about the IRS in the US daring to question rich buisnessmen.

What really infuriates American liberals about Putin is that he knows the US intelligence services work through NGO's and therefore he has outlawed homosexual propaganda. Unlike the liberals love affair with Saudi Arabia the Russian government does not jail you (atheist communism in Russia used to) or give you the death penalty for living a homosexual lifestyle.
Vladimir, don't you have a country to invade or an enemy to poison?
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Storrs, CT
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It must be boring living in the alternate universe. Everything is so simple and primitive. Basic decency is thrown out. Manners don't exist. Facts don't mean anything. Education is evil. Obama caused your problems. Hillary is the antichrist. And Trump will make everything just great again for everybody, as if there was a time long ago that things were great for all.
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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Vladimir Putin is laughing at Trump every single day. He realizes how easily Trump can be manipulated with just a single compliment. (Although the Russian word actually translates not to "brilliant," but to "colorful," as in a clown is colorful.) Sure Putin would like Trump to be US President because Putin could sway Trump with a few clever words and make Trump look like the fool that he is!
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