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Old 09-14-2016, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Originally Posted by Spottednikes View Post
The marking or lack of it, is not what makes an email classified. It is up to the sender to mark it. Hillary both SENT and received vlassified email on her private server. It would be up to her to mark it correctly, but that would be an admission that she was sending classifed info on a system that she wasn't supposed to be using.

Plus, there are emails from her, telling her staff to remove the heading of classified emails, to make it into nonpaper, and email to her normally. That is most likely why they found so many emails that were vlassified, but without headers.
No. If Clinton or her staff wrote it without information from another agency it is classified as she sees fit. Even if it secondary references such information she still controls.

There are no emails telling staff to remove classification markings. There were talking points where she suggested sending as an open document but that was not classified by anyone other than her staff and well within her authority.

And none of this has anything to do with a civilian server being built without security clearances.

 
Old 09-14-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Here is where you have no clue what you are talking about. And if you have taken any actual classes over this stuff you would understand.

If something is marked top secret (any classification for that matter) and you disagree with it, it does not matter especially if its from another department, you have to treat it as what it is classified as, period end of story...

How many AUP's have you signed?
And you continue to mislead. As Comey made quite clear no documents were marked or contained material extracted from marked documents. It is the subjects of the emails that are the issue. Other agencies say the Dept of State cannot discuss certain subjects without a classification. The SofS did not agree. Who controls? On State Dept documents the SofS.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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And you continue to mislead. As Comey made quite clear no documents were marked or contained material extracted from marked documents. It is the subjects of the emails that are the issue. Other agencies say the Dept of State cannot discuss certain subjects without a classification. The SofS did not agree. Who controls? On State Dept documents the SofS.
Thee is no misleading. Are you saying that she ONLY conducted business on her private server with emails only from her department? Really?

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For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

Above is the entire conversation, notice its from a .GOV website.....

Do you understand what sent and received means? That means she sent and received TS emails on her UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM....this is straight from the FBI director. I provided the entire paragraph so you can read it and not say i cherry picked what I needed....


Pay very close attention to the last bold words.....she still had TS emails PRIOR to the "up classifications."

Not sure how you can defend that?

I and everyone else would have lost or been suspended and probably without jobs....

How many AUPs have you signed?
 
Old 09-14-2016, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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And you continue to mislead. As Comey made quite clear no documents were marked or contained material extracted from marked documents. It is the subjects of the emails that are the issue. Other agencies say the Dept of State cannot discuss certain subjects without a classification. The SofS did not agree. Who controls? On State Dept documents the SofS.

You are clearly part of her campaign. Spin, spin, spin.

We all know what she did and why she did it. If you choose to support her anyway that is your right. To deny her actions at this point is just silly and makes you look silly.

The premise that the self-admitted "not technically savvy" Clinton would go to the trouble of having a server installed in her basement by non-government employees paid by her personally as a matter of "convenience" is effing laughable. She did it intentionally to control and hide documents. She intentionally had her staff destroy data after it was subpoenaed.

Her staff is invoking the 5th and refusing to even appear before congress and you continue to deny there is a problem. I'd have more respect if you just said "So what, I'm still voting for her."

The Clinton Foundation must pay well.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 10:37 AM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
And you continue to mislead. As Comey made quite clear no documents were marked or contained material extracted from marked documents. It is the subjects of the emails that are the issue. Other agencies say the Dept of State cannot discuss certain subjects without a classification. The SofS did not agree. Who controls? On State Dept documents the SofS.

The information in Hillary's emails was confirmed to be classified at the time it was sent, or received.

The marking arguments is nothing but a red herring.

You have been called on your misleading, and outright false statements numerous times, yet you still continue to push these false narrative.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Thee is no misleading. Are you saying that she ONLY conducted business on her private server with emails only from her department? Really?



https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

Above is the entire conversation, notice its from a .GOV website.....

Do you understand what sent and received means? That means she sent and received TS emails on her UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM....this is straight from the FBI director. I provided the entire paragraph so you can read it and not say i cherry picked what I needed....


Pay very close attention to the last bold words.....she still had TS emails PRIOR to the "up classifications."

Not sure how you can defend that?

I and everyone else would have lost or been suspended and probably without jobs....

How many AUPs have you signed?
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Originally Posted by TrapperJohn View Post
You are clearly part of her campaign. Spin, spin, spin.

We all know what she did and why she did it. If you choose to support her anyway that is your right. To deny her actions at this point is just silly and makes you look silly.

The premise that the self-admitted "not technically savvy" Clinton would go to the trouble of having a server installed in her basement by non-government employees paid by her personally as a matter of "convenience" is effing laughable. She did it intentionally to control and hide documents. She intentionally had her staff destroy data after it was subpoenaed.

Her staff is invoking the 5th and refusing to even appear before congress and you continue to deny there is a problem. I'd have more respect if you just said "So what, I'm still voting for her."

The Clinton Foundation must pay well.
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Originally Posted by stburr91 View Post
The information in Hillary's emails was confirmed to be classified at the time it was sent, or received.

The marking arguments is nothing but a red herring.

You have been called on your misleading, and outright false statements numerous times, yet you still continue to push these false narrative.
RW nonsense gets no better on repetition.

And none of this reads on the subject which is whether you need a security clearance to build or maintain a civilian server. You don't. Simple as that.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Find a source not RWN and then come back.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Find a source not RWN and then come back.
Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they don't know tbe sky is blue too
 
Old 09-14-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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RW nonsense gets no better on repetition.

And none of this reads on the subject which is whether you need a security clearance to build or maintain a civilian server. You don't. Simple as that.


You are wrong.

The entire process is controlled for a classified server to ensure that there is no hidden spyware, hidden hardware, back doors, hidden services, as well as the appropriate security. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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