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Old 09-15-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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25 million jobs in 10 years is a drop off from what is currently happening. It sounds good until you run the numbers.

Let's see.......25 million divided by 10 is 2.5 million jobs a year. Well I went to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and in 2015 the Obama administration created 2.75 million jobs between Jan and Dec.
Additionally, we're on a pace to do better than that this year.

So what's all the bruhaha with Trump's plan, except a big tax giveaway to the rich and shutting down the entire federal Dept. of Education for our kids?
Excluding all other aspects of Trump's tax plan, I don't see anything wrong with removing the Department of Education from Federal purview. It is most likely something that could be administered much more efficiently and effectively from the state/local perspective.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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These are just cropped up claims by BS sources that are bought and paid for by the establishment and big banks. I be you believe everything Obama tells you too, just because he was elected by millions.
So what sources do you trust to be impartial?
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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These are just cropped up claims by BS sources that are bought and paid for by the establishment and big banks. I be you believe everything Obama tells you too, just because he was elected by millions.
So Trump's thumbnail prognostications are more valid than the Bureau of Labor Statistics which is published monthly and updated continuously and used by corporations and businesses everywhere to factor in their hiring, firing and financials? Is that what your saying?
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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These are just cropped up claims by BS sources that are bought and paid for by the establishment and big banks. I be you believe everything Obama tells you too, just because he was elected by millions.
Any facts that disagrees with your preconceived view is dismissed. That's cognitive dissonance. The people analyzing these plans are the smart people who do it for a living.

Ordinarily, when presented with facts that disagree with your opinion, you change your opinion to align with facts -- not throw out the facts.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Excluding all other aspects of Trump's tax plan, I don't see anything wrong with removing the Department of Education from Federal purview. It is most likely something that could be administered much more efficiently and effectively from the state/local perspective.
The department of Education budget is $24 billion a year. Trump's tax-plan cuts $4.3 trillion in revenue over 10 years, or $430 billion a year -- on top of the existing deficit. That Education savings doesn't even pray to close that gap.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Excluding all other aspects of Trump's tax plan, I don't see anything wrong with removing the Department of Education from Federal purview. It is most likely something that could be administered much more efficiently and effectively from the state/local perspective.
States are mandated by the Federal Government to educate children to a set of standards. Eliminating the Department of ED. would eliminate the oversight of those standards. Trump wants to eliminate the Dept. but keep the funding in the form of vouchers so everyone can go to a private school. Private schools don't have to conform to the constitution and can teach a specific religion, discriminate who get's entry, and other unconstitutional measures. A veritable alt right wingers wet dream.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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The department of Education budget is $24 billion a year. Trump's tax-plan cuts $4.3 trillion in revenue over 10 years, or $430 billion a year -- on top of the existing deficit. That Education savings doesn't even pray to close that gap.
Again, not sure how many times I'm going to have to explain things like this to you. I started my statement by saying "Excluding all other aspects of Trump's tax plan" so I don't know how to make it any more clear. A simple statement saying that I think the Dept. of Education shouldn't be a the Federal Level does not imply my support or some sort of validation of Trump's tax plan.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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States are mandated by the Federal Government to educate children to a set of standards. Eliminating the Department of ED. would eliminate the oversight of those standards. Trump wants to eliminate the Dept. but keep the funding in the form of vouchers so everyone can go to a private school. Private schools don't have to conform to the constitution and can teach a specific religion, discriminate who get's entry, and other unconstitutional measures. A veritable alt right wingers wet dream.
Sorry, but I have a hard time buying into the fact that the Republican view (believe it goes back to at least Reagan) is to teach religion, segregate, and abandon the constitution.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:51 PM
 
Location: New York
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Brackets & Rates for Married-Joint filers (Brackets for single filers are ½ of these amounts)
Taxable income: Rate Less than $75,000 12%
More than $75,000 but less than $225,000 25%
More than $225,000 33%
So I'm in the 25% bracket - this means, I'll be paying only 12.5% taxes on my income?

That's going to be a lot more money in my pocket.

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Old 09-15-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Again, not sure how many times I'm going to have to explain things like this to you. I started my statement by saying "Excluding all other aspects of Trump's tax plan" so I don't know how to make it any more clear. A simple statement saying that I think the Dept. of Education shouldn't be a the Federal Level does not imply my support or some sort of validation of Trump's tax plan.
OK, fair enough. Let's say that you eliminate the entire Federal Dept. of Education. Would you be agreeable to eliminating the funding for it also? You know, all that cash the dept dispenses to the states to educate their children.
If it's state run, with state oversight, then shouldn't it be state funded too?
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