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Old 10-03-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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Yet another Obamacare State Exchange is going up in flames. Though the Minnesota State Dems say this is a one time 'emergency' fix, thinking people know better. Obamacare which Mrs Clinton has stood behind is in a death spiral. She is lying about her intentions.

Can any of us afford another liberal/progressive lie, misdirection and ultimately, incompetence? Minnesota exchange near collapse.

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The increases range from 50 percent to 67 percent, Commissioner Mike Rothman’s office said in a statement. Rothman, who regulates the state’s insurers, is an appointee under Governor Mark Dayton, a Democrat. The rate hike follows increases for this year of 14 percent to 49 percent.
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Sure she will, after all changing to single payer will take the bill that corporations have been paying and move it even further onto all tax payers. Enriching her backers and screwing us while trying to convince us how she is for the little people.
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Why not? Trump has already said that he will repeal ACA and replace it with "something great" and that the government will pay for it.

Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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Why not? Trump has already said that he will repeal ACA and replace it with "something great" and that the government will pay for it.

Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart
How you figure when he wants the American people to have their pick from insurance companies across state lines. He has said this over and over again in his rallies.

Perhaps he also has other options available to the American citizen to the one I described above.
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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Sure she will, after all changing to single payer will take the bill that corporations have been paying and move it even further onto all tax payers. Enriching her backers and screwing us while trying to convince us how she is for the little people.
Corporations have been paying? YOU pay for it if you have insurance from the employer. The employer just reduce your salary accordingly to provide insurance instead.

You are saying a for-profit health care system where the insurance companies (which are not in the business of providing care but making profits) can kick you off insurance and deny care and treatment at will is a system that is good for little people?
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Corporations have been paying? YOU pay for it if you have insurance from the employer. The employer just reduce your salary accordingly to provide insurance instead.

You are saying a for-profit health care system where the insurance companies (which are not in the business of providing care but making profits) can kick you off insurance and deny care and treatment at will is a system that is good for little people?
LOL, You seem to think that moving healthcare from companies to the government is going to get you a raise, when has that happened? You have no idea how the market works for companies. Companies pay the lowest wage they can to attract the employees they need, they offer benefits as part of the package to keep the employees as they cannot afford to lose them, every employer pays at least a portion of their employees insurance if they have a health plan. IF healthcare is paid by the government than they will not give people raises, they will increase their bottom line as they are already paying enough to get the employees that they need.
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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How you figure when he wants the American people to have their pick from insurance companies across state lines. He has said this over and over again in his rallies.

Perhaps he also has other options available to the American citizen to the one I described above.
Are you saying that Trump didn't say what brietbart said that he said? Is brietbart now biased against Trump and is twisting his words?
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Old 10-03-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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We are actually going to have a real life case study to see if single payer is better than obama care in Colorado.

Colorado is on track to pass a single payer system, which covers everyone in the state through a payroll tax deduction of 3.5% for the individual and 6% for the employer.

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Cre...dment_69_(2016)
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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Mike, we all pay for it one way or the other. Whether it is receiving less pay for a job, in exchange for a 'benefit', or through taxes. I'd be much more likely to trust my self - I can affect my health care costs by lifestyle and personal financial decisions - to the capitalist system - rather than be held hostage to a government.

Mandates? Penalties? Guaranteed minimum profit to insurance companies? Required minimum coverage provisions, like maternity coverage for a pair of sexagenarians? No thank you. That is what government involvement means.

We, who opposed Obamacare in 2009 and 2010 predicted this collapse would happen. We were right.


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Corporations have been paying? YOU pay for it if you have insurance from the employer. The employer just reduce your salary accordingly to provide insurance instead.

You are saying a for-profit health care system where the insurance companies (which are not in the business of providing care but making profits) can kick you off insurance and deny care and treatment at will is a system that is good for little people?
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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I think Hillary supports adding a public option to Obamacare. This will be one of the plan choices along with the existing private health plans which are there now.

I like the public option because it's not focused on giving profits to insurance companies. Hopefully the costs can be kept down on the public option due to elimination of profits. If it's at the federal level they should have excellent bargaining power.
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