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View Poll Results: Does Clinton's Popular Vote Victory Reduce Trump's Mandate?
YES. Trump's vote count is too low to be a mandate for sweeping change. 70 27.89%
NO. Trump won, and that's reason enough for a mandate for sweeping change. 125 49.80%
DOESN'T MATTER. The mandate concept is too vague to mean anything. 56 22.31%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2016, 12:43 AM
 
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That's why California wants to protect millions of illegals and allow people to vote without having to show any form of ID.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:46 AM
 
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I don't see what the problem is by giving the electoral college the boot. It isn't necessary today. Popular vote should always prevail...
While I don't have a strong opinion on either system, I do understand the reasoning behind the electoral system. If it were based on the popular vote, 90% of America would be pretty much completely ignored during elections. The interests of those in middle America would be long forgotten. With that being said, I'd be fine with a popular vote system, but the results from this election are based on the electoral vote. If it were based on the popular vote, the campaign stops, funding, rallies would have been 100% different, so these numbers would also be different.
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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In the 1960 World Series, the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55 to 27, but the Pirates won the series.
Too bad for the Yanks total runs meant nothing.
The "popular vote" means no more than those total runs.
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:42 AM
 
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In the 1960 World Series, the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55 to 27, but the Pirates won the series.
Too bad for the Yanks total runs meant nothing.
The "popular vote" means no more than those total runs.
What a perfect metaphor.

Both candidates knew the rules and campaigned according to the rules. Trump held multiple rallies per day in states like MI, PA, FL, and NC. He simply had better strategy and worked harder than clinton even though the media was 96% on her side. She didn't even campaign in WI. While she was nowhere to be seen, Trump was working hard in flyover country and rust belt cities to win over the people in these key states. If the goal was the popular vote, red voters would have actually turned out in places like CA and NY. It's unsportsman like to complain so much about the rules after you lost.
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Old 12-01-2016, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Delaware Native
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I say, let those democrats knock themselves out counting votes. After all, they have nothing else to do to occupy their spare time. I guess it makes themselves feel useful.
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Old 12-01-2016, 03:56 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Electoral College - Why do we have it?

Many people think the Electoral College should be scrapped. They think it's just a relic of the past, and think we should elect the president by direct democracy. But the framers of the Constitution were very wise and educated men. They understood why direct democracy's fail.

Here's why they created the Electoral College, and why it is just as relevant and important today:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/poli...o1xBk.facebook
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Old 12-01-2016, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Maine
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In another thread Dems are worried that the Senate repubs will use the nuclear option and only require a majority vote (the popular vote 51 to 49) Instead of a super majority(60 to 40).
So suddenly Dems are very much in favor of old antiquated rules.



bill
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:34 AM
 
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I don't see what the problem is by giving the electoral college the boot. It isn't necessary today. Popular vote should always prevail...
LOL. Yes, let the cities rule everything.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:45 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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There are unsubstantiated claims that up to 3 million non-citizens voted in the last presidential election. No doubt that non-citizens voted especially in states with large immigrant populations and very liberal politics.


Congress should pass a law that only those who are verified US citizens can vote in elections. Also that the census can only count US citizens for the purpose of re-apportionment. Now, everyone living in an area (legal and illegal) is counted in the census and immigrants can and do distort congressional districts, giving more districts to states with large non-citizen immigrant populations like CA..

There are laws prohibiting illegal aliens ( and even non-citizens here legally) from voting for US president, vice president, or members of Congress. It looks as though those laws do not prevent these people from voting in local elections, or under provisions of specific state laws. Seems those laws are ignored by those who see allowing illegals to vote as a way to perpetuate their political party.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/611
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:49 AM
 
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The founding fathers were so smart as otherwise 3 cities would rule the entire country!
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