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Old 11-18-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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Contradicting yourself much?
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She doesn't have a majority. She has a "plurality".

That is why in "direct vote" elections, there is always a runoff to determine the winner.

But the point is irrelevant. Hillary lost the election. She won't be the next President.

 
Old 11-18-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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None of what you linked to has any relevance to what I said.

Do you even understand the point here? The more you post, the more it looks apparent that you're lost.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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She doesn't have a majority.
She has the most votes.

And that's why the system is broken. The man who came in second gets to be president.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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None of what you linked to has any relevance to what I said.

Do you even understand the point here? The more you post, the more it looks apparently that you're lost.
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it makes perfect sense



everyone was saying Democrats had a strong electoral college advantage that would make it almost impossible for a Republican to win. Now they are all changing the story and saying the electoral college favors Republicans


Lost? Republicans just won the presidency, house, Senate, and the Supreme Court and the Democrats have the lowest amount of power since 1926. I think we are all feeling pretty good right now.
 
Old 11-18-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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it makes perfect sense

everyone was saying Democrats had a strong electoral college advantage that would make it almost impossible for a Republican to win. Now they are all changing the story and saying the electoral college favors Republicans
NO ONE has said that.

Again, the more you talk, the more you are missing the point.


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Lost? Republicans just won the presidency, house, Senate, and the Supreme Court and the Democrats have the lowest amount of power since 1926. I think we are all feeling pretty good right now.
Due to a grossly unfair system that trashes democracy. Congrat.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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NO ONE has said that.

Again, the more you talk, the more you are missing the point.




Due to a grossly unfair system that trashes democracy. Congrat.
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yes. Everyone said that. Do a google search with "Electoral college democrat advantage" or something like that. That is what everyone was saying before the election.
 
Old 11-18-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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You're missing the point.

The EC system is broken. It drastically reduces the influence on the most prosperous regions in America while giving outsize influence to rural regions.

Election should NOT be designed in such a way that a limited groups of voters get to decide the entire election.
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Total cumulative population of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 173,763,090
Clinton - 139,762,184

Total cumulative registered voters of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 82,141,000
Clinton - 60,023,000


Broken? I think not! If you won just California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas you would win the needed 270 votes. That represents approximately 175 million people. Trump won 30 states and the total cumulative population was approximately 174 million. No state is a given. You still have to show up to vote even in Wyoming for the state to go red! I truly believe that one of the reasons many don't vote is the media has perpetuated the lie that some states are just not winnable for the other candidate and that their vote doesn't count. It would be interesting to see what would really happen in the even 80% of eligible voters showed up to vote.
 
Old 11-18-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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yes. Everyone said that. Do a google search with "Electoral college democrat advantage" or something like that. That is what everyone was saying before the election.

So what?

Did I say anything about Democrats and the EC????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you going keep arguing something that I never said?
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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NO ONE has said that.

Again, the more you talk, the more you are missing the point.




Due to a grossly unfair system that trashes democracy. Congrat.
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Yes the EC is bad for a democracy. However we are a representative republic and NOT a direct democracy.
 
Old 11-18-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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Total cumulative population of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 173,763,090
Clinton - 139,762,184

Total cumulative registered voters of the states each candidate won:

Trump - 82,141,000
Clinton - 60,023,000


Broken? I think not! If you won just California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas you would win the needed 270 votes. That represents approximately 175 million people. Trump won 30 states and the total cumulative population was approximately 174 million. No state is a given. You still have to show up to vote even in Wyoming for the state to go red! I truly believe that one of the reasons many don't vote is the media has perpetuated the lie that some states are just not winnable for the other candidate and that their vote doesn't count. It would be interesting to see what would really happen in the even 80% of eligible voters showed up to vote.

The problem is there are states that are so sparsely populated that a small group of people can sway the government.

Wyoming and its meager 500,000 people has 3 EC votes.

Using that math, CA and its 40 million people should have 80 EC votes, but it only has 55.

Not only that, but that 500,000 people somehow account for 2% of the Senate. While CA and its 40 million residents also account for 2% of the Senate. The 40,000,000 Californians have the same voice as the 500,000 Wyomians.

Basically the system tilts the power towards rural regions, which is unfair.
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