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Old 02-27-2008, 08:31 PM
 
Location: On my way to FLA baby !!
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Looks to me like the word was written on the van. BTW, how and when is racism ever sensible?
I didnt say it was sensible, I said that towards the post saying their would be violence is Obama wins and that is flat out stupid. I can see violence if he loses but not if he wins because the people who would not vote for Obama are sensible enough to not do anything that was thought above.

Also, we are in today and looking forward, what people did 100+ years ago has nothing to do with today, none of those people are here anymore and things have changed dramatically in the last 30-40-50 years. We cannot live today for what was done 100+ years ago, we have to live today for tomorrow. Gone are those days where people think that racism holds people back, it does not. All you have to do is put out the effort and have a goal to reach and you on your way, look at Oprah and Condy Rice, they came from a tragic childhood and have made themselves successful people. So noone has an excuse anymore.

Vandalizing in this post was made out to be a racist post itself when the facts do not show it was racism at all.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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I know it swings both ways and for me it has swung against me for then I have ever seen it swing away from me.

I can tell you that one side is sensible and will not stoop to the low standards that the other side would.

I would like to know how the word racist is any part of this myself? Things are vandalized everyday and this is not mentioned.
Please give an accurate definition of your meaning of sides? There is no way that you could post these unintelligible statements and understand the history of violence from all races of men in this country.

What about Black Wall Street? Do you know who burned and vandalized all those businesses and houses that existed in that era? Yet, mainly in the last 30-40 years black people have started riots. Boy oh boy, I hope this statement makes you feel righteous or powerful, whatever it is that you may need right now.

Now would it be correct for me to say that because of the original riots in this country-these could have served as the examples for black people to follow? Absolutely not, because you would create an excuse to justify your current position. Based on your accusation-only one side has been guilty of starting riots. Researching about the history of this county is a wonderful activity to engage in for our own understanding-realizing that it all is not truth, but what is truth anyway? Ok!! I am done.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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I didnt say it was sensible, I said that towards the post saying their would be violence is Obama wins and that is flat out stupid. I can see violence if he loses but not if he wins because the people who would not vote for Obama are sensible enough to not do anything that was thought above.

Also, we are in today and looking forward, what people did 100+ years ago has nothing to do with today, none of those people are here anymore and things have changed dramatically in the last 30-40-50 years. We cannot live today for what was done 100+ years ago, we have to live today for tomorrow. Gone are those days where people think that racism holds people back, it does not. All you have to do is put out the effort and have a goal to reach and you on your way, look at Oprah and Condy Rice, they came from a tragic childhood and have made themselves successful people. So noone has an excuse anymore.

Vandalizing in this post was made out to be a racist post itself when the facts do not show it was racism at all.
Do you what racism is? Do you understand what effect it has on others? Based on your comments-you have a very narrow view and this may be your comfort level.

I have taught classes on Diversity for sixteen years. Age groups ranging from 8-50 years old. I recently taught a Cultural Competence class, and I have conducted a couple of research studies on racism within academic institutions. By the way, Diversity and cultural competence are not the same. I have just provided you with an historical background about my knowledge pertaining to race. Now I could be more detailed, but I have made a conscious choice not to reveal any further information about my history.

Your statements/ comments about Oprah and Condi cannot be generalized for the whole population of blacks in this country. People and their behaviors are very much directed by their historical context, rather we agree with it or not. I am not saying that violent behavior should be accepted in any era, but until you understand and realize that many behaviors have been manifested based on systemic racism, you will continue to look as one who is without knowledge.

Racism according to you does not hold people back. Would it be sufficient to say that people can hold people back? Where some people may not have a door or two opened for them based on their interviewing skills, whereas another may not have several doors opened because of their skin color, but they do have exceptional interviewing skills. Yet, they need to keep going through them because they must have faith that one of them will be opened based on their skills and abilities and not their skin color. A door does eventually open after years of hard work, but most of us have taken on insurmountable mental setbacks, yet have remained steadfast to achieve our goals and succeed against most odds. Many do not have the stamina nor the will to continue, they mentally give up because they are experiencing racism. These are just the facts for many in the black race -unfortunately.

Could you imagine having to tell you child that they must get ready to endure negative behaviors from others or lose opportunities in their life based on their skin color? You do not understand this process that we must teach our children.

My dad was my role model, and no entertainer or politician could serve as one for me. People I do not know personally cannot be a role model for me.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:01 PM
 
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Do you what racism is? Do you understand what effect it has on others? Based on your comments-you have a very narrow view and this may be your comfort level.

I have taught classes on Diversity for sixteen years. Age groups ranging from 8-50 years old. I recently taught a Cultural Competence class, and I have conducted a couple of research studies on racism within academic institutions. By the way, Diversity and cultural competence are not the same. I have just provided you with an historical background about my knowledge pertaining to race. Now I could be more detailed, but I have made a conscious choice not to reveal any further information about my history.

Your statements/ comments about Oprah and Condi cannot be generalized for the whole population of blacks in this country. People and their behaviors are very much directed by their historical context, rather we agree with it or not. I am not saying that violent behavior should be accepted in any era, but until you understand and realize that many behaviors have been manifested based on systemic racism, you will continue to look as one who is without knowledge.

Racism according to you does not hold people back. Would it be sufficient to say that people can hold people back? Where some people may not have a door or two opened for them based on their interviewing skills, whereas another may not have several doors opened because of their skin color, but they do have exceptional interviewing skills. Yet, they need to keep going through them because they must have faith that one of them will be opened based on their skills and abilities and not their skin color. A door does eventually open after years of hard work, but most of us have taken on insurmountable mental setbacks, yet have remained steadfast to achieve our goals and succeed against most odds. Many do not have the stamina nor the will to continue, they mentally give up because they are experiencing racism. These are just the facts for many in the black race -unfortunately.

Could you imagine having to tell you child that they must get ready to endure negative behaviors from others or lose opportunities in their life based on their skin color? You do not understand this process that we must teach our children.

My dad was my role model, and no entertainer or politician could serve as one for me. People I do not know personally cannot be a role model for me.
I know exactly what is it, I have been a victim over and over again because of it. Coming from a dirt poor family with a single mom and working hard to get a degree so I wouldnt have to live like that ever again then as an adult I get screwed over for just being a white man.
I have been passed over many times for job promotions so they could fill the job with a less experienced and unknowledgable black man, and EACH AND EVERY TIME they all have failed and have quit or been fired because they could not do the job! Each and every time I get a raise from their mistakes and do the job for a short period of time added to my job until someone comes along and says we need to fill that position.
I grew up around blacks and they were given far better treatment then even I was. Teachers and coaches and adults went out of their way to help them, went out of their way to push me and others aside to make sure they were given a chance thus screwing us over to just give someone who is black a shot.
I never once in 47 years saw a single black person ever get screwed over for being black, I grew up in a town of 30% blacks and I had many black friends growing up and still do today. Heck the one I know very well and who has worked himself to pieces to get a better job and is a super person even makes fun of the fact that I have got screwed over because I am white. He tells me you had better watch out because I will get that job next ahead of you.
What happened 4- years ago was not my fault and I should not pay for it. I should not be a victim because someone 40 years ago did something wrong.
We all have an equal chance to succeed, many of us are held back because we were poor as kids, but it didnt stop me from trying and working very hard.
Not one single person TODAY should say they cannot get out of the town or city or whatever and make themselves something, if they use that as an excuse then they do not want to succeed and use the racism crap to have an excuse.
There are far too many very successful blacks in our society today who do not believe they were held back, they pretty much all agree that if anything they were handed a red carpet as long as they wanted to succeed and had the tools needed to go on.
We have CEOs of huge major corporations who are fine people who worked from the cities of Detriot, Chicago, Memphis, Baltimore etc to become CEOs of fortune 500 companies. They had no excuses.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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It wasn't too long ago that two cross bred white trash scum bags from Texas kidnapped and dragged to death a handicapped, elderly black man AND were proud of their actions.

Nothing surprises me. I lived in Texas, I have heard people speak proudly of their racism. I have heard people speak in not so hushed tones about their membership in the KKK.

That kind of racism makes me despair for the future of this country.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:13 PM
 
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It wasn't too long ago that two cross bred white trash scum bags from Texas kidnapped and dragged to death a handicapped, elderly black man AND were proud of their actions.

Nothing surprises me. I lived in Texas, I have heard people speak proudly of their racism. I have heard people speak in not so hushed tones about their membership in the KKK.

That kind of racism makes me despair for the future of this country.

They need to be dragged themselves so they know what it feels like. I hate this kind of stuff myself, I watched the black boys who beat the white school kid and were bragging about it and getting paid for bragging about it and that drove me crazy. People who making them out like heros when they were racist little thugs who deserve to be punished.

Lindsey, the future will only be better if we realize that there is hate on both sides and we must stop people like Luis Farakan and the KKK from even existing. These people only make matters worse.

ALL of us need to stop these types of people, until we do nothing will ever be fixed on either direction.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:18 AM
 
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I know exactly what is it, I have been a victim over and over again because of it. Coming from a dirt poor family with a single mom and working hard to get a degree so I wouldnt have to live like that ever again then as an adult I get screwed over for just being a white man.
I have been passed over many times for job promotions so they could fill the job with a less experienced and unknowledgable black man, and EACH AND EVERY TIME they all have failed and have quit or been fired because they could not do the job! Each and every time I get a raise from their mistakes and do the job for a short period of time added to my job until someone comes along and says we need to fill that position.
I grew up around blacks and they were given far better treatment then even I was. Teachers and coaches and adults went out of their way to help them, went out of their way to push me and others aside to make sure they were given a chance thus screwing us over to just give someone who is black a shot.
I never once in 47 years saw a single black person ever get screwed over for being black, I grew up in a town of 30% blacks and I had many black friends growing up and still do today. Heck the one I know very well and who has worked himself to pieces to get a better job and is a super person even makes fun of the fact that I have got screwed over because I am white. He tells me you had better watch out because I will get that job next ahead of you.
What happened 4- years ago was not my fault and I should not pay for it. I should not be a victim because someone 40 years ago did something wrong.
We all have an equal chance to succeed, many of us are held back because we were poor as kids, but it didnt stop me from trying and working very hard.
Not one single person TODAY should say they cannot get out of the town or city or whatever and make themselves something, if they use that as an excuse then they do not want to succeed and use the racism crap to have an excuse.
There are far too many very successful blacks in our society today who do not believe they were held back, they pretty much all agree that if anything they were handed a red carpet as long as they wanted to succeed and had the tools needed to go on.
We have CEOs of huge major corporations who are fine people who worked from the cities of Detriot, Chicago, Memphis, Baltimore etc to become CEOs of fortune 500 companies. They had no excuses.
Thank you for sharing your historical context. Sounds like you have been exposed to what many other races have dealt with for many years, although you still have privilege because of your skin color. Sounds like you should have left and went to another town or city as well. Did you assist any of those blacks that were experiencing difficulties on the job?

Being poor and having a single mom does not equate to racism. Many times being poor and having a single mom opens up more doors for you today than it does having parents that are in the middle class. Now mind you, I did hear you say that you were 47 years old, so I am certain your experiences were different, but your skin color, in addition to your gender granted you privilege.
Your experience of experiencing racism has a white man is being studied more in the social sciences. There is limited research, but I am aware of reverse discrimination. I think it happens more than people are willing to speak about.

I need not speak to the success of many blacks, they surely exist all over the world. I am one that comes from a family of them who have done very well monetarily. Success means different things to many people. I consider myself to be wealthy in knowledge and tolerance for others-which is how I describe success for myself. I personally do not consider success to be based on monetary wealth. I have been a public servant to many families that have suffered because of their lack of education, which in turn has effected their socioeconomic status-a real strangle hold on accomplishing anything once their educational goals are not achieved. Yes!! They are responsible for ensuring that they at least try to reach this milestone. I need not tell you of the horrific situations that prevent people from finishing their education on time or ever. Development has been arrested at a young age and many times this is not the child's or teenager's fault.

I did not grow up in poverty, yet I did not reject someone because of their socioeconomic status. Most friends did not have a background such as mine, yet they did not treat me differently because of it. It was not my money, it was my father's and he made sure we knew his success was not our success. Different ways of thinking lead to different outcomes, but that does not eliminate racism.

There is the famous "I have black friends" line. Why can they just not be called friends of different races. Why do you feel the need to speak to their color? I have many friends who share the colors that GOD has appointed unto men-the human race. Just like he appointed colors to the bears, lions, flowers, trees, insects, etc.

My best advice to anyone who has been a victim of racism over and over again is to see a mental health specialist, especially when I hear the bitterness expressed in written material or through having a personal conversation with them. Racism can have a severe impact on your quality of life and how you form your opinions about others who do not happen to share your skin color. Racism practiced and racism experienced can cause one to be emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically unhealthy.
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Old 02-28-2008, 07:12 AM
 
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I didnt say it was sensible, I said that towards the post saying their would be violence is Obama wins and that is flat out stupid. I can see violence if he loses but not if he wins because the people who would not vote for Obama are sensible enough to not do anything that was thought above.

Also, we are in today and looking forward, what people did 100+ years ago has nothing to do with today, none of those people are here anymore and things have changed dramatically in the last 30-40-50 years. We cannot live today for what was done 100+ years ago, we have to live today for tomorrow. Gone are those days where people think that racism holds people back, it does not. All you have to do is put out the effort and have a goal to reach and you on your way, look at Oprah and Condy Rice, they came from a tragic childhood and have made themselves successful people. So noone has an excuse anymore.

Vandalizing in this post was made out to be a racist post itself when the facts do not show it was racism at all.
In one or two respects, I agree with you. Racism and racists certainly still exist; but their affect on our lives is much less significant than it ever was.

Now, the naive and unenlightened will point to Oprah and Michael Jordan as "proof". And yes, if it weren't for the sports and entertainment industries, there wouldn't be much to speak of. But success in American life must come from areas beyond sports and entertainment. And that's where the shiny examples begin to dwindle down to one or two (out of a population of 35,000,000).

Myself? I'm educated; well-settled in my career; married with children and content. That doesn't mean that these blessings are because racism wasn't a barrier. It just means that I enjoy some success and happiness in spite of racism.

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Old 02-28-2008, 09:43 AM
 
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It wasn't too long ago that two cross bred white trash scum bags from Texas kidnapped and dragged to death a handicapped, elderly black man AND were proud of their actions.

Nothing surprises me. I lived in Texas, I have heard people speak proudly of their racism. I have heard people speak in not so hushed tones about their membership in the KKK.

That kind of racism makes me despair for the future of this country.
I've lived in Texas for 31 years and never heard anyone speak proudly of their racism. Then again, I've never lived in far Eastern Texas where Longview is located.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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I've lived in Texas for 31 years and never heard anyone speak proudly of their racism. Then again, I've never lived in far Eastern Texas where Longview is located.

Vidor and Orange is the hot bed of hate in TX.
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