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Old 03-05-2008, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Who here thinks that the Dems will win the rural areas in the fall? Trends are changing. Kansas has a Democrat as Governor. Obama is doing well in the Democratic stronghold counties - arguable much more important than the other counts. America is purple and it won't take much at all to tip a few states the other way - unless Hillary is the nominee. 47% of Americans do not like her, period. It leaves her with little ability to gain more votes in the general election.

This is the 2004 map by county - something Karl Rove is much more interested in than states.
http://www.wickedsunshine.com/WagePeace/Election2004/Images/PurpleAmerica-Election2004.gif (broken link)
I love me some Purple Country!! Thanks for posting that Art123.
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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I know some of you are still a little drunk from last night, but reality always catches up at some point.

Clinton Wins Big, But Math is Troubling - TIME

But the March 4 results have not changed Obama's strongest talking point (and reality point) for why Clinton should exit the Democratic race: Math. It appears numerically impossible for her to overtake his lead among elected delegates.

So Clinton lives to run for another seven weeks. But if you believe in the power of numbers, the candidate of inevitability is Barack Obama.

Obama is CLINGING to that thread
but he lost last night huge
he does not have enough numbers to get the nomination either
and he has had all this time
no he will go down from here
the super delegates DO NOT belong to anyone
he thinks they are in his back pocket
WRONG!!
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Old 03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
 
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Hillary Clinton can not catch Obama in the delegate count. She needs to step aside for the good of the party.

Hillary’s Math Problem | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Hillary Clinton can not catch Obama in the delegate count. She needs to step aside for the good of the party.

Hillary’s Math Problem | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
You mean "for the good of Obama." The American people WANT TO VOTE; it's their right! And insisting that Americans DON'T have the right to a choice among the candidates is the stuff of totalitarianism.

Of course, this isn't new for Obama. In his very first election, his campaign found a way to disqualify everyone running against him so he wouldn't have to face the competition.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:34 PM
 
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Its fantasy to think that the Superdelegates are going to vote against their constituents wishes and thusfar, Barack Obama has the most votes.

you don't seem to get it
Obama has be sailing along with the media in his pocket
that day has ended
he is going to try and flip on Hillary but it won't work
he has two recent bombs coming at him
Rezko and lying about Canda
he is trying to blame Hillary for this
which is BS
he did these things not her
what is this supposed to be a "non issue" get real
Obama does not do well under pressure he will crumble
they were just saying on CNN that Obama wants the media to go after Hillary
the media is always after Hillary
that does not faze her because she is vetted
Obama is not
Obama is going to prove, and it is already being said
that if Obama can not handle Hillary he can not deal with McCain
and if he can not do that how the hell is he supposted to handle the hardest
job as the president!
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Just an update:

The math for Hillary just got worse after Tuesday night. Her likelihood of winning actually decreased significantly.

Hillary’s New Math Problem | Newsweek Voices - Jonathan Alter | Newsweek.com

FLorida and Michigan do-overs will do very little to change things. Jesse Jackson won Michigan in 1988 (like he did with SC) and Obama will appeal to some of those same voters. Another thing to remember is those popular vote counts do not include the states that held caucuses. So Obama may need more primaries (Michigan and Florida) to keep that popular vote count more reflective of the will of the people.
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Just an update:

The math for Hillary just got worse after Tuesday night. Her likelihood of winning actually decreased significantly.

Hillary’s New Math Problem | Newsweek Voices - Jonathan Alter | Newsweek.com

FLorida and Michigan do-overs will do very little to change things. Jesse Jackson won Michigan in 1988 (like he did with SC) and Obama will appeal to some of those same voters. Another thing to remember is those popular vote counts do not include the states that held caucuses. So Obama may need more primaries (Michigan and Florida) to keep that popular vote count more reflective of the will of the people.
Please provide us with an analysis that shows Obama reaching 2025, the number needed for nomination. Thanks.
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Please provide us with an analysis that shows Obama reaching 2025, the number needed for nomination. Thanks.
From the linked article:

This will leave it up to the superdelegates to figure out how to settle on a nominee. With 205 already committed to Obama, he would need another 200 uncommitted superdelegates to get to the magic number of 2025 delegates needed to nominate. But that's only under my crazy pro-Hillary projections[where Hillary wins ALL of the remaining primaries by nearly 20 points]. More likely, Obama would need about 50-100 of the approximately 500 uncommitted superdelegates, which shouldn't be too difficult.

Hillary̢۪s New Math Problem | Newsweek Voices - Jonathan Alter | Newsweek.com
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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From the linked article:

This will leave it up to the superdelegates to figure out how to settle on a nominee. With 205 already committed to Obama, he would need another 200 uncommitted superdelegates to get to the magic number of 2025 delegates needed to nominate. But that's only under my crazy pro-Hillary projections[where Hillary wins ALL of the remaining primaries by nearly 20 points]. More likely, Obama would need about 50-100 of the approximately 500 uncommitted superdelegates, which shouldn't be too difficult.

Hillary’s New Math Problem | Newsweek Voices - Jonathan Alter | Newsweek.com
well 50 superdelagates are now sitting on the fence and talking about moving to Obama so that just might do it!
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Please provide us with an analysis that shows Obama reaching 2025, the number needed for nomination. Thanks.
The voters have rendered 2025 a moot point.
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