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Old 03-05-2008, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Austin 'burbs
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And an article on the caucus, and Obama's win... Texas Caucus Count Takes Wind Out of Clinton’s Wins - America’s Election HQ


Are people still arguing that Hilliary could take this??

The email...

Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.

That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted.

For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.

The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.

They failed.

It's clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative -- and increasingly expensive -- campaign to tear us down.

That's her decision. But it's not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He's already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days.

The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math -- and their chances of winning -- got considerably worse.

Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests.

By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table.

But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let's show that we're ready.

This nomination process is an opportunity to decide what our party needs to stand for in this election.

We can either take on John McCain with a candidate who's already united Republicans and Independents against us, or we can do it with a campaign that's united Americans from all parties around a common purpose.

We can debate John McCain about who can clean up Washington by nominating a candidate who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or we can do it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you.

We can present the American people with a candidate who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with McCain on the worst foreign policy disaster of our generation, and agrees with him that George Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or we can nominate someone who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and will not support a march to war with Iran.

John McCain may have a long history of straight talk and independent thinking, but he has made the decision in this campaign to offer four more years of the very same policies that have failed us for the last eight.

We need a Democratic candidate who will present the starkest contrast to those failed policies of the past.

And that candidate is Barack Obama.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Puts things into their proper perspective, namely Hillary can't win the pledged delegate race. She can only hope for super delegates to overturn the will of the electorate. In other words, stealing the nomination.

39% in on the Texas caucus it's Obama-56% Clinton-44%
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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They'll need to discover pictures of Obama with a dead girl or a live boy for him to lose the pledged delegate race at this point.

Having said that, he needs to keep his foot on the gas. Coasting didn't work for Hillary and it won't help him.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This is exactly what I've been saying and precisely how I saw the results from yeserday.

Obama simply needs to continue what he's doing, while Hillary struggles to give the appearance that she's a viable candidate. Her only hope is for Obama to be in a charitable mood and put her on his ticket. I don't see this happening.

There is increasing call for Hillary to concede. Her continued presence is only dividing the party. The electorate favors Obama.

Seems clear to me.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:41 PM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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There is increasing call for Hillary to concede. Her continued presence is only dividing the party. The electorate favors Obama.

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Where is the call coming from? This poll was if she lost ONE of the big states yesterday.

Poll: 67% Want Hillary to Keep Fighting Even if She Loses a Big State Today,

Democrats by more than a 2-1 margin say Hillary Clinton should stay in the presidential race even if she loses either the Texas or Ohio primary on Tuesday. But if she fails in both, fewer than half say they'd want her to fight on.

ABC News: Should Clinton Stay or Go? Dems Say Stay!
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:42 PM
 
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One very important thing the Obama e-mail doesn't take into account are Florida and Michigan. It is now looking like there is a possibility that another vote will be taking place there. Factoring in Michigan and Florida at this time based on the first vote, Hillary leads Obama going by the popular vote.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Where is the call coming from? This poll was if she lost ONE of the big states yesterday.

Poll: 67% Want Hillary to Keep Fighting Even if She Loses a Big State Today,

Democrats by more than a 2-1 margin say Hillary Clinton should stay in the presidential race even if she loses either the Texas or Ohio primary on Tuesday. But if she fails in both, fewer than half say they'd want her to fight on.

ABC News: Should Clinton Stay or Go? Dems Say Stay!
Exactly. It's only the Obamaphiles who are having a hissy. The rest of the country wants to VOTE AND BE HEARD. How odd -- and un-American -- for people to want to deny them this right.

It tells me that the Obamaphiles aren't really that comfortable with their candidate. If they were, they wouldn't be so afraid of the race continuing.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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One very important thing the Obama e-mail doesn't take into account are Florida and Michigan. It is now looking like there is a possibility that another vote will be taking place there. Factoring in Michigan and Florida at this time based on the first vote, Hillary leads Obama going by the popular vote.
Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Mich. Take it out and Obama leads by close to 300,000.
RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I can't wait to change the rules in the middle of my next game of Madden...lol
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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They'll need to discover pictures of Obama with a dead girl or a live boy for him to lose the pledged delegate race at this point.

Having said that, he needs to keep his foot on the gas. Coasting didn't work for Hillary and it won't help him.

no that is not true
the super delegates are to vote for the one that CAN WIN IN NOV
Obama
can not do it
so I would not count on it
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