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Old 07-12-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This is very important to me. While Warren attracts the academic elite to her policy oriented campaign, Bernie attracts people who were never very political.

People who are very political are often those who want to change the world in their vision, they want to better the lives for everyone.

They are the utopian globalists.

Bernie has support of common folk who don't want their candidate to curry favors from the proper power brokers or gain allies in DC friendly think tanks.


Our politics value experience over morals, and that is why we are doomed.
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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This is very important to me. While Warren attracts the academic elite to her policy oriented campaign, Bernie attracts people who were never very political.

People who are very political are often those who want to change the world in their vision, they want to better the lives for everyone.

They are the utopian globalists.

Bernie has support of common folk who don't want their candidate to curry favors from the proper power brokers or gain allies in DC friendly think tanks.


Our politics value experience over morals, and that is why we are doomed.

Both may be dommed if they cannot attract each other's voters in the general election.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Possibly.
Trump isn't trying to expand his base. He's working on getting them to the polls instead. The same could happen with Bernie and Warren.

Attracting voters is one thing. Getting them to vote is another. Motivation is a lot tougher than attraction.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...s-2020-1408548


This is very important to me. While Warren attracts the academic elite to her policy oriented campaign, Bernie attracts people who were never very political.

People who are very political are often those who want to change the world in their vision, they want to better the lives for everyone.

They are the utopian globalists.

Bernie has support of common folk who don't want their candidate to curry favors from the proper power brokers or gain allies in DC friendly think tanks.


Our politics value experience over morals, and that is why we are doomed.
Yangs UBI policy will do more for the poor than Bernies federal jobs guarantee.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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This is very important to me. While Warren attracts the academic elite to her policy oriented campaign, Bernie attracts people who were never very political.

People who are very political are often those who want to change the world in their vision, they want to better the lives for everyone.

They are the utopian globalists.

Bernie has support of common folk who don't want their candidate to curry favors from the proper power brokers or gain allies in DC friendly think tanks.


Our politics value experience over morals, and that is why we are doomed.
Not quite the same thing but you want to be careful here. This is the argument that blew up in Hillary's face.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Not quite the same thing but you want to be careful here. This is the argument that blew up in Hillary's face.
huh?

I'm on Bernie's side.

Warren's supporters (elite educated liberals) are more like Hillary's.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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Yangs UBI policy will do more for the poor than Bernies federal jobs guarantee.
Bernie's willingness to break up financial institutions despite the harm it will cause to the middle class buying power (credit availability) will help for more than anything.

The federal jobs guarantee along with opposition to off-shoring, corporate trade deals, and mass migration are meant to promote job stability.

So a wage like the UBI but one that people feel they have earned. Yang's position is too dependent on a positive corporate balance sheet (to fund UBI) and he overestimates automation.

Off-shoring, not automation is the biggest threat to the lower class. And Yang believe breaking up big capital ownership (companies) and replacing them with less efficient, smaller, local ones is the wrong approach. Something I disagree with.


Again I don't agree with everything Bernie says, not even healthcare. But I explain why I support him anyways: I went further in depth in my post in the anti-endorsement Bernie thread.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Bernie's willingness to break up financial institutions despite the harm it will cause to the middle class buying power (credit availability) will help for more than anything.

The federal jobs guarantee along with opposition to off-shoring, corporate trade deals, and mass migration are meant to promote job stability.

So a wage like the UBI but one that people feel they have earned. Yang's position is too dependent on a positive corporate balance sheet (to fund UBI) and he overestimates automation.

Off-shoring, not automation is the biggest threat to the lower class. And Yang believe breaking up big capital ownership (companies) and replacing them with less efficient, smaller, local ones is the wrong approach. Something I disagree with.


Again I don't agree with everything Bernie says, not even healthcare. But I explain why I support him anyways: I went further in depth in my post in the anti-endorsement Bernie thread.
I don't agree with your assessment on automation. Fundamentally we are going to see a shift where common jobs like retail clerks and truck drivers are going to disappear.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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I don't agree with your assessment on automation. Fundamentally we are going to see a shift where common jobs like retail clerks and truck drivers are going to disappear.
It hasn't come to fruition yet.

The number one threat to jobs and low-skilled employment right now is off-shoring. Some white collar workers like talking about automation, not corporate trade being the problem, but I see it as a distraction.

The problem with automation is application. It will take a long time to be implemented (the technology is not there yet) across america.

The key to limit its affects is to decentralize wealth across the country and keep small businesses, not giant corporations, as the drivers of our economy.

In turn it makes our economy less competitive globally but it will help reduce excessive consumption and produce a better culture in turn.

Saying it will happen and we must allow corporate power to further it consolidation on capital to fund UBI is a defeatist attitude to what we what our country to be.
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Old 07-13-2019, 04:17 AM
 
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huh?

I'm on Bernie's side.

Warren's supporters (elite educated liberals) are more like Hillary's.
I know you are but it doesn't change what I said. I support Bernie also but I don't like the politics of telling me the negatives about others as opposed to the positives you want me to support.

That Hurt Hillary bad.
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