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Old 06-24-2008, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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All pollsters these days are finding fewer and fewer folks wanting to call themselves Republicans. The Polls are not being skewed it's just that there are fewer Republicans in the country, therefore the polls accurately represent the current mood of the voters.
This is a load of BS. Objective pollsters will always try to get a representative mix of the general population based on census data AND prior elections.

Now, if they take the 2004 presidential election, obviously a very close election (well actually 'W' won by about 3 Mil votes) with republican and democrats fairly even.

They obviously have this so far skewed in favor of a democrat - and it's not of function of being able to "find" republicans - that's just plain silly. They do it for a reason, to give a false perception of the reality they want the electorate to believe. Newsweek - clearly they have adopted a left-leaning agenda. LA Times - Need I say more. Both are obviously left-leaning entities in favor of electing Obama to the WH.

It really very easy to see if a given poll has a bias. Most pollsters put the methodology out there. Notice in the link provided - they provide some results - and commentary - put not the actual party affiliation. You have to go to the poll to get that info.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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So you think the pollsters ask for party affiliation before asking the pollees to participate??


Why do you think only the polls YOU post are fair???
if that is the case where are the republican polls?
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:43 PM
 
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And really now; Try to look objectively at this poll. 39% Democrats vs 22% republicans. Can there be any doubt of the results? That's where the weighting comes in.
Have you ever considered that there are simply fewer Republicans in the country now?

After the current president's disastrous job and the debacle in Iraq, it should not be a surprise.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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This is a load of BS. Objective pollsters will always try to get a representative mix of the general population based on census data AND prior elections.

Now, if they take the 2004 presidential election, obviously a very close election (well actually 'W' won by about 3 Mil votes) with republican and democrats fairly even.

They obviously have this so far skewed in favor of a democrat - and it's not of function of being able to "find" republicans - that's just plain silly. They do it for a reason, to give a false perception of the reality they want the electorate to believe. Newsweek - clearly they have adopted a left-leaning agenda. LA Times - Need I say more. Both are obviously left-leaning entities in favor of electing Obama to the WH.

It really very easy to see if a given poll has a bias. Most pollsters put the methodology out there.
Need I remind you that 2004 was 4 years ago before the true extent of the current administration's incompetence in Iraq. The results in 2006 should tell you that.

Anyway, show me some proof of your perceived discrimination against Republicans. Or are you simply imputing discrimination based on outcome, rather than intent?

Pretty ironic for a conservative actually.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Have you ever considered that there are simply fewer Republicans in the country now?
How would a pollster determine that? Take another poll?

If you go by the last census, 2000, one might think the electorate was pretty evenly divided.

The same holds for the 2000&2004 elections.

How else do they determine the true party affiliation of the electorate? I guess they could look up voter registration in each state - but that doesn't always tell the true story. You have crossovers from both parties.

So...where do they get the numbers to justify the extreme skewing of this poll and the Newsweek poll?

Any statisticians around?
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The results in 2006 should tell you that.
Not a presidential election year. Most seats the dems took from republicans were close races.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:51 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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All pollsters these days are finding fewer and fewer folks wanting to call themselves Republicans. The Polls are not being skewed it's just that there are fewer Republicans in the country, therefore the polls accurately represent the current mood of the voters.

Well here is a thought. If I'm a pollster in Texas and want to make sure the results are favoring a democrat ill make sure I have A LOT of 512 area codes. (Austin) I'll probably get the result I want. The percentage of Democrats in these polls is a bit to high.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:59 PM
 
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How would a pollster determine that? Take another poll?

If you go by the last census, 2000, one might think the electorate was pretty evenly divided.

The same holds for the 2000&2004 elections.

How else do they determine the true party affiliation of the electorate? I guess they could look up voter registration in each state - but that doesn't always tell the true story. You have crossovers from both parties.

So...where do they get the numbers to justify the extreme skewing of this poll and the Newsweek poll?

Any statisticians around?
Of course there are crossover voters. But doesn't this negate your entire argument that the poll was skewed in the first place? If simple party registration is not relevant, then the identification of people within the poll shouldn't matter, correct?
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:01 PM
 
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Not a presidential election year. Most seats the dems took from republicans were close races.
Despite it not being a presidential year, 2006 was a brutal year for Republicans, just as 1994 was a brutal year for Democrats.

It showed a significant shift away from Republicans and a huge backlash against the Bush administration. The polls haven't significantly changed since then
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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This is a load of BS. Objective pollsters will always try to get a representative mix of the general population based on census data AND prior elections.

Now, if they take the 2004 presidential election, obviously a very close election (well actually 'W' won by about 3 Mil votes) with republican and democrats fairly even.

They obviously have this so far skewed in favor of a democrat - and it's not of function of being able to "find" republicans - that's just plain silly. They do it for a reason, to give a false perception of the reality they want the electorate to believe. Newsweek - clearly they have adopted a left-leaning agenda. LA Times - Need I say more. Both are obviously left-leaning entities in favor of electing Obama to the WH.

It really very easy to see if a given poll has a bias. Most pollsters put the methodology out there. Notice in the link provided - they provide some results - and commentary - put not the actual party affiliation. You have to go to the poll to get that info.
It isn't 2004 anymore, I would think 2006 would have given you some clue. Even Rasmussen in a Poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends - broken link) taken a couple weeks ago showed that 41.7% of Americans now identify with the the Democratic party compared with 31.6% for the Republicans and 26.6% independent. This includes a whopping 47%-30% lead among women and a 36%-34% lead among men. Polls are just reflecting this lead in party identification for the Democrats.
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