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Old 08-24-2008, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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You can't help everybody all the time and no matter how good something is, there is always a critic.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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There is a tangled web of cronysim and payback with that hospital and the obamas.

This will come out as well.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:46 PM
 
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There is a tangled web of cronysim and payback with that hospital and the obamas.

This will come out as well.
So if you know all about it and know it's going to come out why not show your sources here now ??????
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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So if you know all about it and know it's going to come out why not show your sources here now ??????
From the TPN:

I noted previously that Paul Geraghty at NRO had uncovered a breaking scandal involving an inappropriate earmark by Senator Obama for University of Chicago hospital where his wife is a vice president (and was bribed with a raise so extravagant it rocketed her salary all the way up to other vice presidents' working there, thereby ensuring Barack would throw taxpayers' money the hospital's way). And true to shady Chicago politician form, Obama earmarked $1 million (of $770 million in requests) for a proposed pavillion for the hospital. Quips Geraghty:

Looks like that raise was worth it.

What NRO failed to report was that Ms. Obama's salary was apparently lower after the earmark request, which would seem to drive a stake through the heart of the alleged scandal.

However, it seems as though Senator Obama was unsuccessful in procuring the earmark- it died in the Senate. Clearly then, Ms. Obama's salary decrease was retribution by the hospital plutocracy for her husband's failure to deliver the goods.

Although the Obama campaign and University of Chicago Medical Center officials deny any link between the requested earmark and Ms. Obama's employment, citing Mr. Obama's requests for other area hospitals as evidence against any sort of favoritism, I have no doubt that NRO mastersleuth Paul Geraghty will expose this as part of yet a larger corruption conspiracy.

Good hunting, Mr. Geraghty. This election needs bloodhounds like you keeping America focused on the issues that truly matter.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:17 PM
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Location: Wisconsin
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Then WHY are those affected complaining if it is soooooo wonderful a choice???

But the Urban Health Initiative has critics, including South Side residents and medical professionals.

"I've heard complaints from a handful of constituents, but I've also had calls from people in the health care profession complaining," said Ald. Toni Preckwinkle, whose 4th Ward is just north of the hospital. "The medical professionals who have come to me are accusing the university of dumping patients on its neighboring institutions. ... Whether it's being implemented in the way that's in the best interest of the patient, I can't tell you."

Sounds like you are drinking the kool-aid Bubba HO is dishing out vs reading what those affected by the actions feel. Not only those asking for medical attention, but the PROVIDERS are accusing the university of dumping patients. Besides, how many of those visiting ANY ER today are going to be Cancer or Kidney transplant patients as they stated they were trying to protect and be available for?????

So a "handful of constituents" complained. Big deal. Thousands have benefitted and a "handful" complained. Some people will complain about anything. And so some medical professionals have "accused the university of dumping patients on neighboring institutions." Why is it anymore the responsibility of the U to treat these patients than it is these other institutions? Sounds like some of them have their knickers in a twist because they were use to the U bearing all the brunt of the uninsured and now they have to step up to the plate too. And you clearly missed the point about the cancer and kidney transplant patients. If all the financial resources of the U are tied up in ER treatment, they are unable to treat the serious life threatening illnesses of people without resources. What is taking place at these treatment facilities in Chicago is taking place all over the country and is a direct result of the U.S. being the only civilized country in the world that does not have universal health care. They are doing their best in a no win situation....which is more than the government is doing.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:21 PM
 
Location: In the sunshine on a ship with a plank
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When poor people without insurance go to hospitals for things that can easily be treated in a clinic instead, who suffers?

ALL OF US. The person who is really sick and needs immediate medical attention and a bed. The taxpayer because charity medical care ultimately costs all of us in the long run.

The initiative to push the uninsured to clinics makes perfect sense. I know of no doctors who will accept an uninsured patient who can't pay. But many hospitals have no choice but to accept such patients. What we really need is universal healthcare so the poor can go to the DOCTOR when they are sick rather than to the hospital out of desperation.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Yes! Finally someone is DOING something about this country's ERs being clogged up by illegal aliens and Americans without insurance who seem to think that the ER is the place they should go when their kids get sore throats and ear infections.

Michelle Obama and the hospital are not trying to talk people out of receiving medical care. They're turning people away from the EMERGENCY ROOM, who don't have EMERGENCY medical situations. ERs are for EMERGENCIES, not routine, non-life-threatening medical care. Yes, it's a sad situation that so many people in this country don't have insurance. But, it's a dangerous situation that so many people with actual medical emergencies are not getting the emergency treatment they need and deserve, because people who can't afford to go to regular doctors are filling up ERs, even when they don't have emergency medical issues.

Amen to Michelle and her hospital for doing something about this major problem. Hopefully, more hospitals will follow in their footsteps.

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Old 08-24-2008, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Yes! Finally someone is DOING something about this country's ERs being clogged up by illegal aliens and Americans without insurance who seem to think that the ER is the place they should go when their kids get sore throats and ear infections.

Michelle Obama and the hospital are not turning poor people away from getting medical care. They're turning people away from the EMERGENCY ROOM, who don't have EMERGENCY medical situations. ERs are for EMERGENCIES, not routine, non-life-threatening medical care. Yes, it's a sad situation that so many people in this country don't have insurance. But, it's a dangerous situation that so many people with actual medical emergencies are not getting the emergency treatment they need and deserve, because people who can't afford to go to regular doctors are filling up ERs, even when they don't have emergency medical issues.

Amen to Michelle and her hospital for doing something about this major problem. Hopefully, more hospitals will follow in their footsteps.
And when Bubba HO grants free health care to all, do you expect these clinics to be open 24/7?????

I WORK in healthcare and can tell you it ain't going to happen. YES, ER's are HORRIBLY MISUSED...but this was a ploy by someone who received a PAY INCREASE to help the bottom line of the facility she was trying to remove this unpaid, uninsured user from! If she was not on the payroll of the hospital in question, perhaps your argument would fly!
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:02 PM
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And when Bubba HO grants free health care to all, do you expect these clinics to be open 24/7?????

I WORK in healthcare and can tell you it ain't going to happen. YES, ER's are HORRIBLY MISUSED...but this was a ploy by someone who received a PAY INCREASE to help the bottom line of the facility she was trying to remove this unpaid, uninsured user from! If she was not on the payroll of the hospital in question, perhaps your argument would fly!
Do you mean to suggest that when we are paid by an employer to do a job we do not do honorable, decent, worthwhile things? A teacher's ability to inspire and enrich a child's life is of no value because she/he received a paycheck? A minister's effort to bring souls to the Lord and help his/her flock means nothing because they are paid? The life saved by doctors and nurses using all the skills at their command is worthless because the doctors and nurses were paid? Just because a company pays a person to help improve the service they provide does not mean that the improvements are evil. They are improvements. Such cynical thinking makes me wonder about how some minds work.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Do you mean to suggest that when we are paid by an employer to do a job we do not do honorable, decent, worthwhile things? A teacher's ability to inspire and enrich a child's life is of no value because she/he received a paycheck? A minister's effort to bring souls to the Lord and help his/her flock means nothing because they are paid? The life saved by doctors and nurses using all the skills at their command is worthless because the doctors and nurses were paid? Just because a company pays a person to help improve the service they provide does not mean that the improvements are evil. They are improvements. Such cynical thinking makes me wonder about how some minds work.
Read post #14 on this thread again....Michelle got raise, could not deliver the goods....got reduction in pay. How would this NOT be connected?????
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