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Old 09-06-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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i've kinda swung back and forth on the whole Mccain Obama thing for sometime now and have almost decided on Obama. As a Ron Paul fan i would describe myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal and my priorities are in that order. believe me i am not delighted by the choices but i suppose i have to deal the hand i've been dealt.

fiscally i see no difference between the two. they are both going to squander my hard earned dollars, the difference i believe is that obama actually means to do something useful with it(even though he is creating another layer of entitlements which is scary) rather than hand it to haliburton execs, georgia(the russian one who dubya just handed $10 billion to) et al. i also think obama wants to wind down the war. mccain is just being naive if he believes that the temporary easing in fighting means that the surge is working.

so i don't really see much difference fiscally, i have to swing my vote over to social issues. it is here where the dems win my vote. mccain palin want to teach their kids creationism that's fine, i'll teach my kids something else thanks. although i would be more than happy to teach my kids about the birds and the bees i'd be just as happy for the school to do it. evidently palin's little chat fell on deaf ears. i don't really think that the abortion issue has a place on the presidents list of agendas but i am strictly opposed to palin's hardcore stance (this is one area where i disagree with Ron Paul). as for the whole war on drugs. i feel that the dems have a slightly firmer grip on reality where this topic is concerned. personally i'd welcome an outright legalisation but i'm not going to get that with either candidate so i'll choose the dems to be a bit more accommodating. hopefully by selecting a half black half white president we can ease all this racial bitching. also while i don't buy into this whole global warming thing i feel that palin's flagrant dismissal of environmental issues is troubling and highly irresponsible.

another thing i'd like to say is that the only reason we still have some sway with opec is because we still have reserves in dakota, california, the gulf and alaska. if we drill there like there's no tommorrow we'll be in a much weaker position in 20 years time. strategically i think we should use theirs first.

there's my thinking. welcoming some quality debate

i nearly forgot the most important thing, THE PATRIOT ACT! mccain voted for it and Obama against. Habeas corpus has been around for several hundred years and it's inexcusable that in "The Land Of The Free" we no longer subscribe!
I've got the perfect solution for your quandry, ask Ron Paul what he would do.

McCain as 'Lesser of Two Evils'
Earlier today, Paul offered no support for his party's presidential nominee, calling John McCain "the lesser of two evils."


ABC News: Paul Offers No GOP Support at Minn. Rally

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but it shows that Ron Paul recognizes which candidate is closer to his own ideals.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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I am starting to tilt away from McCain mainly because of Palin - I simply do not want an fanatic ayatollah (of a different religion) in the office. I like people who are pro-science, and not brainwashed by religion.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:53 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I may be in a position where I am "forced" to vote for McCain as a matter of pure self-defense, and the thought of it makes me sick.
Pure self defense from what?
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:59 AM
 
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McCain = socialism for da Wall St boyz and unAmerican parasite lobbyists
Obama = socialism for the lazy and shiftless


I had respect for Ron Paul until he started popping up in the conspiracy theory community.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Pure self defense from what?
The one head of the monster licking its lips in anticipation of raiding the other half of the treasury through cockamamie fiscal policy, on top of the cockamamie monetary policy that the other head of the monster used to raid the first half of the treasury.

If it's more comfortable, we can go back to debating the red herring issues.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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I think you should do what I will do and stick to your guns and vote 3rd party and maybe if enough do this over time there will be change.


I never voted Dem,always was Repub,but I will not reward them the power after they have abused it for the last few years.I will not vote holding my nose for a Repub that was not true to the principles before for the sake of stopping a Dem from getting elected.


Ron Paul is about the only true Republican conservative that has shined in the Repub party in a long time and I stand by him and those like him.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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If thats th most important thing, you should look into FISA if you have not already. Both candidates support it, and it is terrible.

I honestly cant believe a Ron Paul supporter would feel ok with voting for either of these men.
Obama told us he wouldn't support immunity for the telecoms. Then he sided with the GOP to vote for cloture and then voted for the final bill with immunity. That is enough for me to know that he is not capable of upholding the oath of office.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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If you want lower taxes, why not demand that your candidate cut spending through the budgeted items and appropriations votes. Both McCain and Obama have voted to continue funding a war that one of them claims to disagree with. How is that responsible?
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:42 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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You do realize that there aren't just two candidates running, right?
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You do realize that there aren't just two candidates running, right?
Well, the tin foil hat wearers will claim that anyone other than a D/R running is a boogeyman who flies in black helicopters to rob McCain or Obama of votes.
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