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Old 09-09-2008, 11:09 AM
 
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Why is the EVER a contreversy about sex ed in schools? It's a part of the human body and its biological functions. Why shouldn't it be taught???
Sarah Palin is clueless.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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'Explicit'...well I don't know what that means in the context Palin had to deal with it but I do know what it means to me.

Basic information on contraception and how it works, fine. Passing out cucumbers and condoms in class so all the kids can practice would be explicit in my book. Diagrams of male and female genitalia is fine with me, actual photos would be explicit.

In that context I don't support explicit sex education.

I have reviewed all the sex-ed material offered at our middle school and found none of it to be objectionable although I heavily lean towards abstinence being the best method for not only preventing pregnancy and STD's but the emotional well being of my teens. My sex ed teacher passed around a placenta in a jar........that was way more than we needed to see in 6th grade!!
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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Sorry, but this is what I read about the topic:

From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire (broken link), Palin gave this response to the following question:
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Palin backed abstinence-only education - First Read - msnbc.com

And apparently McCain fully agrees with her.

HMMMMMNNNNN, I wonder if this is yet ANOTHER example of Ms. Palin's flip flopping!
No. I am generally a fan of First Read, but in this instance, they missed the boat.

"Explicit sex" education is what she was responding to - I think she was 'hearing' graphic. Her stance on teaching about contraception is long standing.

Understand, I am not a Sarah Palin fan, not even remotely.

But if you are going to knock her, please let it be for the stuff she actually merits being knocked on.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You said this:


Then this:


You answered your own question.



Here's the kicked though:


I'M USING WHAT YOU SAID!
got it. So we're down to defining "explicit sex ed" (and my use of the word in two different self imposed definitions, my bad.) There's got to be a better term for kids than, "explicit sex-ed."

Palin is for teaching "reproductive issues" (my second explicit def) -- condoms, stds, etc. I don't think many would be for "explicit sex ed" for kids as I first mentally defined it in my head.

Regardless, can we agree that the thread title is extremely misleading in that Palin does believe in abstinence AND reproductive ed? Is there a better term for teaching kids about condoms, stds, emotional impacts than "explicit sex ed?" Perhaps just me but that term envisions kids watching educational porn.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:47 AM
 
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Why is the EVER a contreversy about sex ed in schools? It's a part of the human body and its biological functions. Why shouldn't it be taught???
Sarah Palin is clueless.
Because it might encourage kids to have sex - and you know where that leads.... to dancing!!!!
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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. . . . I have reviewed all the sex-ed material offered at our middle school and found none of it to be objectionable although I heavily lean towards abstinence being the best method for not only preventing pregnancy and STD's but the emotional well being of my teens. My sex ed teacher passed around a placenta in a jar........that was way more than we needed to see in 6th grade!!
Beautifully stated! I went to our first kid/parent/teacher sex ed class expecting the worst and pleasantly pleased. Abstinence was the theme -- no way are 13-17 y.o. emotionally ready for even the most medically safe sexual relationships. Problem is, many are more than physically ready



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Old 09-09-2008, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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'Explicit'...well I don't know what that means in the context Palin had to deal with it but I do know what it means to me.

Basic information on contraception and how it works, fine. Passing out cucumbers and condoms in class so all the kids can practice would be explicit in my book. Diagrams of male and female genitalia is fine with me, actual photos would be explicit.

In that context I don't support explicit sex education.

I have reviewed all the sex-ed material offered at our middle school and found none of it to be objectionable although I heavily lean towards abstinence being the best method for not only preventing pregnancy and STD's but the emotional well being of my teens. My sex ed teacher passed around a placenta in a jar........that was way more than we needed to see in 6th grade!!
Teachers should give condoms but not show how to use them? What is wrong with a condom on a cucumber? There's no reason to see an actual penis or vagina when discussing reproduction. The only time I saw actual photos in class was when we were discussing STDs. We got to see what herpes does to someone first-hand. The teacher explained to us what we were about to see and said we could turn away if we wanted.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by quelinda View Post
Sorry, but this is what I read about the topic:

From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire (broken link), Palin gave this response to the following question:
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Palin backed abstinence-only education - First Read - msnbc.com

And apparently McCain fully agrees with her.

HMMMMMNNNNN, I wonder if this is yet ANOTHER example of Ms. Palin's flip flopping!
I'm honestly trying to figure out where she stands on this, but it looks like she has been all over the place.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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got it. So we're down to defining "explicit sex ed" (and my use of the word in two different self imposed definitions, my bad.) There's got to be a better term for kids than, "explicit sex-ed."

Palin is for teaching "reproductive issues" (my second explicit def) -- condoms, stds, etc. I don't think many would be for "explicit sex ed" for kids as I first mentally defined it in my head.

Regardless, can we agree that the thread title is extremely misleading in that Palin does believe in abstinence AND reproductive ed? Is there a better term for teaching kids about condoms, stds, emotional impacts than "explicit sex ed?" Perhaps just me but that term envisions kids watching educational porn.
Palin is in favor of abstinence but doesn't believe schools should be limited to it. She is pro-contraceptive but she hasn't stated what kind of sex-ed she wants. What I'm getting from the articles is that she wants kids to know what different contraceptives there are but stops there.

When I think "explicit sex-ed" I think of going into detail about the consequences of having unprotected sex. It tells kids that if your going to have sex you better use a condom or you will regret it. Sex-ed does not teach kids what the best position is or if anal feels better than vaginal.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Not all teens are GOING to have sex. The fact that the Palin family advocates abstinence only and end up having a knocked up daughter doesn't make them look too good.
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